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Cupr Tron
CuprCorp
#21 - 2014-03-02 19:47:22 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Cupr Tron wrote:
maybe I dont want to spend my time for understanding, I want to just play, cause I already have work?

I think we're done here. Lol

Yes you are right Cool
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-03-02 19:52:03 UTC
No, your "idea" is basicaly a godmode.

What you dont seem to understand, people will not field 40 Tornados just for funzies, they do so as long as they can make a large profit.

Your problem is, you are afraid because you fear something that you do not understand, kind of like children are afraid of "Monsters from below the bed".


I dont tell you to read every single info about game mechanics but to read about the ships you will be flying for transportation, what are their benefits and drawbacks, what can you do to protect them and how many DPS are required to kill your ship in less than 8s.

Use Freighters for large ammounts of cheap stuff
Use T2 Transports for Medium ammounts of expensive stuff
Use Interceptors, Cov Ops Transports, T3 or any other fast alligning ship for extreme high value stuff like officer Items.


Just saying, there are people out there casualy transporting large ammounts of cargo in lowsec and they do quite fine, even without the protection of CONCORD.


And one last point, there is no save place in EVE and no module that gives you temporary safety. Either deal with the cruel truth, that you can and will loose your ship when you do stupid stuff (like transporting 2b worth of modules in an untanked iteron V), or quit the game because THIS is THE game mechanic defining EVE

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Cupr Tron
CuprCorp
#23 - 2014-03-02 20:47:17 UTC
People who fly in low made an choice, when i was blowed in low/null i dont got any positive/negative emotioins, cause it was my choice and when i got a chence to blow somrone i definetly use it.
And it is my choice to fly in hisec/
And i posted here cause i wanted at least a temporary safety, that realy dont exist now.
If CCP says that they thought/maybe about it i would be satisfied.
If tey says no/never our discussion is became useless.
TehCloud
Guardians of the Dodixie
#24 - 2014-03-02 21:08:32 UTC
Temporal Safety does exist: Docked in a Station

My Condor costs less than that module!
Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-03-02 21:12:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Anhenka
Cupr Tron wrote:
People who fly in low made an choice, when i was blowed in low/null i dont got any positive/negative emotioins, cause it was my choice and when i got a chence to blow somrone i definetly use it.
And it is my choice to fly in hisec/
And i posted here cause i wanted at least a temporary safety, that realy dont exist now.
If CCP says that they thought/maybe about it i would be satisfied.
If tey says no/never our discussion is became useless.


They have said on many occasions that highsec does not mean absolute safety. That if people are willing to suicide gank someone for whatever reason, that it is a perfectly acceptable game mechanic and entirely supported by CCP.

You are asking for a module that automatically turns your ship invincible long enough for concord to come along and kill your suicide gankers. A module that without effort, thought, or interaction protects you from people trying to kill your ship. And you will never get it.

I'm sure CCP has considered it, while they were compiling a list of "Ways to make EVE into Hello Kitty Online". But it is a module that goes against the basic tenet of eve. Risk Vs Reward. Unless you risk, you deserve no reward.

Temporary safety exists in eve. It's called being in station.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#26 - 2014-03-02 21:39:16 UTC
Another day another "let's laugh at stupid carebears for being stupid" thread. Lol

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#27 - 2014-03-02 22:43:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Cupr Tron wrote:
maybe I dont want to spend my time for understanding, I want to just play, cause I already have work?

In that case, you're playing the wrong game. EVE is not for the apathetic, the lazy, the unwilling to understand or the "I just want to play" crowd. It is not for the "average MMO player" who wants effortless entertainment and expects to always get the cookie every time. It is not for the casual, the thin-skinned, the morals-obsessed or anyone who believes that justice, fairness and "the right thing" should always prevail.


In short, the problem is not EVE.
The problem is not gatecamps.
The problem is not 1400mm Artillery.

The problem is you.

Get out.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#28 - 2014-03-02 23:07:37 UTC
Cupr Tron wrote:
This char dont lose anything, and generaly i want use this module on autopilotl, it's anoying to watch 40 jumps in monitor.
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Why do you think this change is good?

Cause generaly there is no counter against suicide fleet, and mechanics like this would provide equal oportunity for peoples from other side.


"Not being stupid" is your counter to a suicide fleet.

If you die in highsec, odds are pretty good it's entirely your own fault.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Winchester Steele
#29 - 2014-03-02 23:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Winchester Steele
Cupr Tron wrote:
People who fly in low made an choice, when i was blowed in low/null i dont got any positive/negative emotioins, cause it was my choice and when i got a chence to blow somrone i definetly use it.
And it is my choice to fly in hisec/
And i posted here cause i wanted at least a temporary safety, that realy dont exist now.
If CCP says that they thought/maybe about it i would be satisfied.
If tey says no/never our discussion is became useless.



Wait wait. I think this guys idea has merit. Let's implement this module as the OP wants it. But we will also have to remove all missions, rats, ores and trade hubs from hi-sec as well in order to keep the risk vs. reward in balance. Sound good?

...

Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2014-03-03 00:08:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Anhenka
Winchester Steele wrote:

Wait wait. I think this guys idea has merit. Let's implement this module as the OP wants it. But we will also have to remove all missions, rats, ores and trade hubs from hi-sec as well in order to keep the risk vs. reward in balance. Sound good?


Or we could leave it in the form he wants, and just give it an appropriately sized invuln reinforcement timer. Say..... 5 days. Ofc like all other reinforcement timers, immobility would be a factor, persistent through downtime. Making the ships location static across downtimes would be a required aspect as well.

That would mean the cargo would be temporarily safe, but the ship would be sitting there in space for the entire five days counting down to zero. And when zero hits, out of reinforced comes a pinata that has been broadcasting its value worth ganking and the time when the party starts for the better part of a week.

Honestly, I'm kind of liking this idea. I could see people cruising through highsec, seeing a freighter pinata about to come out of Reo, then gathering their friends for an impromptu party, ready to kill the freighter coming out of reinforcement at the traditional 25% health remaining.
Drunken Angel
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-05-21 01:17:35 UTC
Cupr Tron wrote:
People who fly in low made an choice, when i was blowed in low/null i dont got any positive/negative emotioins, cause it was my choice and when i got a chence to blow somrone i definetly use it.
And it is my choice to fly in hisec/
And i posted here cause i wanted at least a temporary safety, that realy dont exist now.
If CCP says that they thought/maybe about it i would be satisfied.
If tey says no/never our discussion is became useless.



By undocking you activate "pvp mode" if you dont want to pvp dont undock as the meercat would say "SIMPLES!!"
Sixx Spades
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2014-05-21 02:19:53 UTC
Cupr Tron wrote:
People who fly in low made an choice, when i was blowed in low/null i dont got any positive/negative emotioins, cause it was my choice and when i got a chence to blow somrone i definetly use it.
And it is my choice to fly in hisec/
And i posted here cause i wanted at least a temporary safety, that realy dont exist now.
If CCP says that they thought/maybe about it i would be satisfied.
If tey says no/never our discussion is became useless.

That sure was a pretty nice Rattlesnake your corpmate Cuprrr lost back in December. This thread wouldn't happen to be a response to that wonderful event, would it?

Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#33 - 2014-05-21 04:05:16 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
Another day another "let's laugh at stupid carebears for being stupid" thread. Lol


It's funny; I'm a carebear and have been my entire Eve life, and stuff like this makes me chuckle.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#34 - 2014-05-21 13:15:59 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Anhenka wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:

Wait wait.


Or we could leave it in the form he wants, and just give it an appropriately sized invuln reinforcement timer. Say..... 5 days. Ofc like all other reinforcement timers, immobility would be a factor, persistent through downtime. Making the ships location static across downtimes would be a required aspect as well.

That would mean the cargo would be temporarily safe, but the ship would be sitting there in space for the entire five days counting down to zero. And when zero hits, out of reinforced comes a pinata that has been broadcasting its value worth ganking and the time when the party starts for the better part of a week.

Honestly, I'm kind of liking this idea. I could see people cruising through highsec, seeing a freighter pinata about to come out of Reo, then gathering their friends for an impromptu party, ready to kill the freighter coming out of reinforcement at the traditional 25% health remaining.


Yes then assuming anyone attacking it gets a suspect flag for the same period,and is unable to dock/stay docked or logoff, could lead to some emergent gameplay.Cool

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#35 - 2014-05-21 13:38:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Samillian
Cupr Tron wrote:
My proposal is to create a module that can be fitted in hi, med, or low slot.
This moduse can use cpu/pg (liike turret), works only in hi sec, can be activated only automaticaly when someone shoot in players ship and puts ship in some kind of "reinforced " mode where it takes no damage.

And make obligatory agreement window in direct trade, which show items ande amounts of isks


Easier just not to log in.

This would have much the same effect as your proposed module with the added bonus of giving you time to get on with life.

Not supported.

P.S. If you want "temporary safety" in EvE don't undock.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#36 - 2014-05-21 13:41:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:


In short, the problem is not EVE.
The problem is not gatecamps.
The problem is not 1400mm Artillery.

The problem is you.

Get out.


Here u go

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#37 - 2014-05-21 14:03:55 UTC
Holy crap. I thought OP was literally asking for an anti-suicide item. Like an anti-self-destruct item. Glad I read down a couple responses.

No. Proposal declined. If you don't want to lose ships, don't undock.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Maxor Swift
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-05-21 14:04:24 UTC
PvP consensual or otherwise should never be confused with suicide ganking.

REAL men dont suicide gank

"What you talking about willis"
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-05-21 14:40:07 UTC
LOOOL! Lol

I read the thread title and thought the OP will surely be talking about a module that prevents him from switching his safety (accidentally) from green to red. xD

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2014-05-21 14:40:23 UTC
Agreeing that "suicide gank" is either carebearing or sociopath perversity that is made way too easy with current tools.

In game tools being high dps to isk ratio ships (cata/talos/nado) and the ability to copy the result of a ship scan.
Out of game tools being excel and api linked calculators that turn ship scan into isk value, that make risk analysis way too easy.

Op suggestions however doesn't seem to fit the game well.
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