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Insane ME and us ?

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Oxide Ammar
#1 - 2014-03-02 12:03:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Oxide Ammar
I want to try doing BPC packs and BPC selling in future but according to sell orders section in the forums and the public contracts of BPC; there are sellers with BPOs researched to insane level of ME/PE. I research my BPOs to acceptable ME level that beyond it I consider it a waste of time but there are other sellers go beyond this. The BPC market is controlled by these cartels who have every BPO researched to these stupid levels and it’s waste of time to compete with them or we small Indy players have chance ?Ugh

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-03-02 14:30:07 UTC
It is? I guess I should stop copying and selling BPCs then....

ME has a diminishing return, which you should already know if you're selling BPCs. Some people can't do maths and buy the highest ME possible. Some can and don't.

Cartels, really? You sound like Dinsdale...
Erik Sokarad
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-03-02 16:21:21 UTC
ME researched is going to impact cost, sure. and thats important for the few people who run a spreadsheet to find costs. but a lot of people dont look at that, they just grab a BPC and build stuff. as long as you stay cheaper than the high-research BPCs, you should have a market.

if your really worried about it, look at how much more materials per copy running your BPC costs, and adjust price downward by that much. as long as the end result is cheaper, the people who spreadsheet will be happy to make the ISK by manufacturing.
Oxide Ammar
#4 - 2014-03-02 16:33:07 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
It is? I guess I should stop copying and selling BPCs then....

ME has a diminishing return, which you should already know if you're selling BPCs. Some people can't do maths and buy the highest ME possible. Some can and don't.

Cartels, really? You sound like Dinsdale...


I'll give you an example, Charon BPC, if you got it at ME 5 that's nice researched ones, but if you find someone selling this BPC at ME 15 or 20 at same price, then you have no chance to sell yours till that guy finish his stock.

Put yourself in buyer shoes 2 BPCs one at ME5 and another at 15 at almost same price, which one you are going to pick ? If I want to compete with that seller I need almost 1.4 year if I'm going to start from scratch.

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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#5 - 2014-03-02 16:42:56 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:
It is? I guess I should stop copying and selling BPCs then....

ME has a diminishing return, which you should already know if you're selling BPCs. Some people can't do maths and buy the highest ME possible. Some can and don't.

Cartels, really? You sound like Dinsdale...


I'll give you an example, Charon BPC, if you got it at ME 5 that's nice researched ones, but if you find someone selling this BPC at ME 15 or 20 at same price, then you have no chance to sell yours till that guy finish his stock.

Put yourself in buyer shoes 2 BPCs one at ME5 and another at 15 at almost same price, which one you are going to pick ? If I want to compete with that seller I need almost 1.4 year if I'm going to start from scratch.



Why not? The waste difference between ME5 and ME15 is trivial, so just price your BPCs that far below his...
Chic Botany
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-03-02 16:44:15 UTC
You could always do the same.
They don't have some magical device which enables them to research faster than you, they'll have a pos with labs like you can have, they might even have a MY-705

So they've invested in POS & Labs, Possibly implants, paid for fuel etc.

Nothing you can't do, but instead you're whining on the forum Roll

Or are you one of the "They don't play the game the way I play the game so they're doing it wrong" brigade?

I've got several blueprints researched to max ME, why? because the last time I checked, the money comes from my bank account to pay for my play time, not anybody else's bank account, and I like to do it.

Yes there is probably no reasonable reason to get a Praetor BPO to ME1532 or Antimatter XL to ME3300 but hey if I want to spend 18-26 weeks with it in research then surely it's up to me. And if that means that if I were to start copying them and people chose them over your bpc's then I'd say it was worthwhile in the end, I've been playing the game long enough to realise it isn't an instant-gratification game.

All said and done, it's a game, and if your way of playing isn't working for you then it's up to you to change your way of playing - not the rest of the players to change their way of playing.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#7 - 2014-03-02 16:45:27 UTC
Not to mention charon BPCs are primarily used for invention which doesn't care the research level of its inputs.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2014-03-02 18:43:52 UTC
M.L. 19 is perfect (no waste) for a Charon.

For what it is worth, I still have four Charon BPO at M.L. 9 (waste = 1x Capital Cargo Bay), but I've just been stockpiling the copies.

When I was manufacturing jumpfreighters, I'd just buy whatever BPC were at a decent price. I never looked at the M.L.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-03-02 20:00:16 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:
It is? I guess I should stop copying and selling BPCs then....

ME has a diminishing return, which you should already know if you're selling BPCs. Some people can't do maths and buy the highest ME possible. Some can and don't.

Cartels, really? You sound like Dinsdale...


I'll give you an example, Charon BPC, if you got it at ME 5 that's nice researched ones, but if you find someone selling this BPC at ME 15 or 20 at same price, then you have no chance to sell yours till that guy finish his stock.


So don't sell at the same price?
The difference in manufacturing cost between ME 6 and ME 15 is somewhere around 7 million. If I have a choice between an ME 6 BPC and an ME 15 that's 8 million more you can bet I'll buy the ME 6 one.


Oxide Ammar
#10 - 2014-03-02 20:32:00 UTC
It might be my thread looks like a whine but I'm not, I'm only afraid from wasting ISK buying BPOs to find myself took nose dive into cutthroat BPC trades that I have no chance to compete in it, that's all.

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-03-02 21:09:58 UTC
The usual market rules apply, do your research, see if you can make a profit, if you can't then look elsewhere.

There are a lot of people doing BPC packs, you need to investigate, watch the market, check the movement, in general do the research and see if there's a niche for you there. If not, go elsewhere. Harder with contracts than the market, but doable.
Maxx Run
Maxx Run Blueprint Services
#12 - 2014-03-03 00:13:30 UTC
I was in your shoes many moons ago. I took the plunge knowing that i would have to research prints at the same time as turning a buck on them. I worked bloomin hard to get my BPOs to a market worthy level and i sell them at a fair price so now - eventually i can relax and let the prints work for me.

Good luck!

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#13 - 2014-03-03 00:55:24 UTC
A lot of very, very overresearched prints get traded.

I looked into the maths were I to add additional ME onto a Talos BPO I recently purchased, and realised that to profit overall (after paying the market price for getting someone else to add ME to my print, as I do not operate a POS), I'd need to produce half a trillion ISK worth of Taloses to warrant the extra ME.

Needless to say, that BPO is not going to be getting more ME added any time soon.

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KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2014-03-03 01:10:44 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
I want to try doing BPC packs and BPC selling in future but according to sell orders section in the forums and the public contracts of BPC; there are sellers with BPOs researched to insane level of ME/PE. I research my BPOs to acceptable ME level that beyond it I consider it a waste of time but there are other sellers go beyond this. The BPC market is controlled by these cartels who have every BPO researched to these stupid levels and it’s waste of time to compete with them or we small Indy players have chance ?Ugh


Anyone who actually takes 2 minutes to research whatever they're building will know that those insane levels don't help for sh*t and might save you like 50.000 ISK on a good day over the entire production cost of the blueprint. Totally not worth it and anyone paying extra money because a blueprint has a needlessly high ME doesn't know how things work.

Price your blueprints properly and it shouldn't matter if the ME level is 100 or 1000 or 1000000.

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The Keywork
#15 - 2014-03-03 08:48:35 UTC
find out what t2 ships and mods ppl like in ur area and make bpcs for those dont even worrie about me

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#16 - 2014-03-03 19:01:54 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
I want to try doing BPC packs and BPC selling in future but according to sell orders section in the forums and the public contracts of BPC; there are sellers with BPOs researched to insane level of ME/PE. I research my BPOs to acceptable ME level that beyond it I consider it a waste of time but there are other sellers go beyond this. The BPC market is controlled by these cartels who have every BPO researched to these stupid levels and it’s waste of time to compete with them or we small Indy players have chance ?Ugh


If they have higher ME then undercut them.

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Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2014-03-03 21:53:02 UTC
Batelle wrote:
If they have higher ME then undercut them.

I don't always go by current market contracts when selling BPC, rather I always check my previous sale, and set a price with that also in mind. More often than not, I'll use the previous sale price, or a price close to it, even when the current market suggest I shouldn't do that.

My last batch of BPC sold in 24 hours, with some priced significantly above what the market indicated.

I'm personally more interested in rapid turnover than more profit. I'll sacrifice some profit to get ISK into my wallet sooner to fund the next project. However, I won't sell at a loss (unless I'm exiting a market probably forever).

To date the only BPCs I've had trouble selling are very low demand ones, which is to be expected.
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#18 - 2014-03-03 23:45:11 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:
It is? I guess I should stop copying and selling BPCs then....

ME has a diminishing return, which you should already know if you're selling BPCs. Some people can't do maths and buy the highest ME possible. Some can and don't.

Cartels, really? You sound like Dinsdale...


I'll give you an example, Charon BPC, if you got it at ME 5 that's nice researched ones, but if you find someone selling this BPC at ME 15 or 20 at same price, then you have no chance to sell yours till that guy finish his stock.



Put yourself in buyer shoes 2 BPCs one at ME5 and another at 15 at almost same price, which one you are going to pick ? If I want to compete with that seller I need almost 1.4 year if I'm going to start from scratch.





well in that particular case I would be looking at the difference in cost between the 2 unfortunately most people will not pay attention to the difference (if any) in waist and will go for the higher one even if the waste is exactly the same. (ps) in the packs the me and pe of the parts is going to be the main driving factor as the difference between me 2 and me5 is minor and also anything above me 6 is pointless if I remember correctly (away from my home computer at the time). But if you are competing you need to have your prices lower by the amount of the cost of the additional waist or you will have no chance of selling.