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Bastion - A Noose Around Your Missioning Wreck
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Quish McQuiddy
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-03-02 12:17:58 UTC
So Bastion, activate it and blam blam blam.

Get disconnected, without active repper, and your ship will fail to e-warp. 5 mins later when your router reconnects .... pod.

Bastion ties you to the spot.

Yes - its a mechanic for the game to work in pvp but its a noose for PVE.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-03-02 12:59:21 UTC
so run the repper?

I should buy an Ishtar.
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-03-02 13:24:10 UTC
Well, then just dont use bastion.

MWD based fitts are way more effective anyway.

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l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#4 - 2014-03-02 13:37:42 UTC
How often do you have disconnects?

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Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#5 - 2014-03-02 15:18:09 UTC
Turn auto repeat off?
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-03-02 16:26:04 UTC
I dont think your ship warps out when bastion runs out.

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Qalix
Long Jump.
#7 - 2014-03-02 17:00:36 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
so run the repper?

Disconnect would turn it off, right?
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-03-02 17:07:17 UTC
No, when you disconnect all your modules continue running as long as auto repeat is on and cap is stable.

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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#9 - 2014-03-02 17:41:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Agondray
I've seen people with bastion mode use smaller high end reps and still over tank missions, and their slit easier to cap stable unless your like one if those guys I tried to teach that he did need 5 bcus and that a 36 hp/s sni will not tank a 4.

You don't have to super tank, but if you don't tank properly and a mission goes fu don't blame it on ccp.

Edit: if ccp did make it to where it would ewarp on dc, than it would be harder to kill people in their marauders as they would esc game to prevent the ship loss, this would end up both pvp and pve.

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Garak n00biachi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-03-02 18:08:03 UTC
Agondray wrote:
I've seen people with bastion mode use smaller high end reps and still over tank missions, and their slit easier to cap stable unless your like one if those guys I tried to teach that he did need 5 bcus and that a 36 hp/s sni will not tank a 4.

You don't have to super tank, but if you don't tank properly and a mission goes fu don't blame it on ccp.

Edit: if ccp did make it to where it would ewarp on dc, than it would be harder to kill people in their marauders as they would esc game to prevent the ship loss, this would end up both pvp and pve.



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Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-03-02 18:09:31 UTC
You cant warp away when something is scrambleing you so this kind of shipdestruction is kind of "normal" for PvE.

Bastion did even reduce the danger by giving you incredible passive tank abilitys.

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Volksterb
#12 - 2014-03-02 18:40:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Volksterb
For a Vargur, a pithum medium shield with a shield boost amplifier will perma run cap stable and provide more than enough shield for any lvl 4. I am sure that even if you use armor tanking you can find a similar setup to perma run. This would surely take care of that disconnect risk.
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-03-02 19:19:14 UTC
Well, usually you dont go for full capstable at Marauder levels, would be a waste of ressources you could use for damage instead.


So... Yes, Bastion + Disconnect would be a death sentence for 90% of all marauders but that is the risk you have to take when you want to have all the benefits of bastion mode.

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Volksterb
#14 - 2014-03-02 19:25:30 UTC
Damien White wrote:
Well, usually you dont go for full capstable at Marauder levels, would be a waste of ressources you could use for damage instead.


So... Yes, Bastion + Disconnect would be a death sentence for 90% of all marauders but that is the risk you have to take when you want to have all the benefits of bastion mode.


I know that is what most do, but I like cap stable so my marauders all are such and the dps is still around 1000 to 1250 depending upon the ammo type. That is more than enough dps for pve. Granted all my skills are lvl 5, which helps a bit, but I think if there is even a remote chance you are going to have disconnect issues then being cap stable is necessary. I also only use 3 damage mods in the low and replace the 4th with a damage control, again lower the dps but adding alot more protection. The 5 minutes extra to do big missions seems a small price to pay for safety.
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#15 - 2014-03-02 19:40:04 UTC
Any of the marauders can be made cap stable with 4 damage mods and plenty of tank.. so you not really gimping you ship to be cap stable these days, in a marauder anyway.

... What next ??
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#16 - 2014-03-02 19:46:47 UTC
The good news is it makes no difference on the forums.

Everyone only post what they make per hour on their best hour ever.

They never subtract for losses, time switching parts and time to deal with market doesn't count either.

All will proceed as before.
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#17 - 2014-03-02 19:49:49 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
The good news is it makes no difference on the forums.

Everyone only post what they make per hour on their best hour ever.

They never subtract for losses, time switching parts and time to deal with market doesn't count either.

All will proceed as before.


And this is relevant how ???

... What next ??
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-03-02 20:01:00 UTC
I think he wants to point out that completely cap stable fittings with high tank values are better than damagefocused ones because you will most likely not loose your ship.

But given that I use my Paladin for over a year now and can barely fire my guns without running out of cap I dont think his point is of any importance.

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-03-02 21:32:23 UTC
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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#20 - 2014-03-04 14:28:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
In the last few days I've gotten numerous disconnects. Most of them are very brief, and most missions are not that dangerous, but I run an XL booster meaning that if I did DC, then it would probably be with the booster off. If I was running missions during these last few days I'd be very concerned. I think this situation should be addressed. The game takes basic steps to make your ship safe if you DC so the game can be playable, I don't think waiting for bastion to end and then ewarping is so unusual or unreasonable. On this issue a lot of people are just saying HTFU because they can and it doesn't affect them rather than to give the issue any real thought.

Agondray wrote:
Edit: if ccp did make it to where it would ewarp on dc, than it would be harder to kill people in their marauders as they would esc game to prevent the ship loss, this would end up both pvp and pve.


That's not how ewarp works. As soon as bastion ends at it tries to warp off the attackers will have more than enough time to tackle it.

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