Ships & Modules

Okay! Thanks so much for your help!

Hammerhead II for Damage
Warrior II for Speed

1. Racial Specialisation Skill on III should be enough, it does not provide any significant bonus.

2.-3. It is ok to just skill your tank so you can fit T2 and maybe the skill for capusage of shieldboosters

4. Well, thats what most of the thread was about. ^^" When you are comfortable with the cap management and tank go for Damage, otherwise play a bit around, T1 rigs are not that expensive.

5. T2 Damagemods only is ok but you will need Advanced Weapon Upgrades V once you want to go for a Golem so any further SP is not wasted

6. Target Painter are Electronic Warfare Modules that increase the signature of a Target. Basicaly the larger the signature the more damage you do with your missiles. Ofc, against BS the effect is nonexistent since they already have a large signature but cruiser and frigates get way more damage than without. They are generaly used when you have Mid slots to spare to improve your damage even more, focus on other things first before trying out Target Painter.


9. This should be your last priority. T2 Cruise Missile Launchers provide you with no real benefit until you get maxed out fitts and try to squeeze out every last DPS you can get. Meta 4 launchers with faction ammo do the job and some people go for faction launchers instead of T2 to save some SP

But that problem is something you will have to face in a month or so and by then know for yourself what to do.

While that special snowflake logic may be true to some extend it doesn't help if we as a community bombard any new player, or one asking for help, with mediocrity and teaching him to be terrible. There's already too many ignorant, clueless, moronic non-effort players this game.

The simple fact that someone took the effort to actually go to the forums (as sarcastic as that sounds, it's true) and then even decides to make his own thread asking questions means that said person is least capable and willing to learn, putting him above the vast majority of players. If we then push even those back down to "there, go be a clueless grind bot" knowledge standards we're not helping them, or in the long run, the game.

Stop aiming for mediocrity, but I will agree to your "show people the options there are and let them decide".

With rapid heavies and the changes to warp speeds a BS has become an oddly viable option.

Depends if the OP insists on the raven. To be fair the training time wont be that far from a hac so if the drake disgusts the OP as much as it does everyone else I say why not.

Why would it be impossible?

I currently have an alt running levels 2s that is making enough to buy a raven plus t2 fittings in a week and still has change left over.

I'm not sure what's worse... People telling a less than month old pilot it's a good idea to fly a Raven or them telling the same pilot to use one for level 3 missions...

I enjoy watching failure as much as the next person but maybe it's time to say "ha ha we were just kidding"

Im not kidding though.

Its much better to have him trying a raven in a level 3 than lose it to a level 4 plus it does infact look as if it can be a very good ship for running level 3s. Another good thing is that all of his training can go into just the one ship so training time is a little faster.

I think a Raven is overkill for level 3s. HAM Drake should rip through them with no problem. But if you insist on using a Raven, please train your missile support skills, Guided Missile Precision and Target Navigation Prediction to at least 4. This will make a huge difference in applied damage to small fast targets. Also bring some drones.

For a level 3, I would recommend either cruise missiles or Rapid Heavy Launchers. I can confirm that T1 cruise missiles rip through npc battlecruisers in 2-3 shots.

The following is the fit I've been using for level 4s for years. It can tank all level 4s including Angel Extravaganza bonus room and Worlds Collide if you have the skills both SP-wise and manage your targets and cap well. I promise it will utterly destroy level 3s and is probably ridiculously over-tanked for them.

[Raven, cruise pve]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II

X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
100MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Cap Booster 800 x15
Scourge Precision Cruise Missile x1500
Scourge Fury Cruise Missile x1500

Will tank ~1000dps from Guristas for as long as your cap holds out. Does 950 dps.

If you don't care to micro-manage cap and tank modules, you can refit with a MJD. But you'll be slow as a pig without a standard prop mod. If you want more locking range, you'll need to change something else to make it fit.

Also, there is nothign wrong with CCC rigs on a Raven if you need to power an active tank. But dead ships fire no shots. So rigor rigs work indirectly to make the fight go faster.