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How do alts work in EVE lore?

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Violet Kross
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-03-02 01:04:53 UTC
I've wondered this ever since I discovered that an account had multiple character slots. I know people who explain this by saying that they jump clone between their alts, which explains why two alts from the same account can't be online at the same time.

But in regards to different accounts, how does that work? Some RP their multiple accounts as different people with different personalities, but this doesn't make sense to me. Even if a small group of people were close friends, it wouldn't explain why they all pool their resources together. If you think about how people use alts, there's usually a money-making alt that does nothing fun itself, and that is used to fund a main. If they were two different people, why would one devote their life to funding the other in this way?

I've had a look into some old threads and found some people writing about some form of black market technology that forms neural links between people. Is there anything that has been confirmed in regards to alts? Any theories? If there are any shorts out there based on this idea, I'd love to read them.
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#2 - 2014-03-02 01:54:31 UTC
Violet Kross wrote:


But in regards to different accounts, how does that work? Some RP their multiple accounts as different people with different personalities, but this doesn't make sense to me. Even if a small group of people were close friends, it wouldn't explain why they all pool their resources together. If you think about how people use alts, there's usually a money-making alt that does nothing fun itself, and that is used to fund a main. If they were two different people, why would one devote their life to funding the other in this way?


Isn't that just the definition of corporations? The real specific details, like pooling entire funds, I usually just ignore that aspect as it's very hard to explain such behaviour from an in-game context.

I think jump cloning between alts makes no sense lore wise. You cannot be different people. That was a trait very unique to The Broker and comes across as "god modding" for the average capsuleer.

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Candi LeMew
Division 13
#3 - 2014-03-02 02:51:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Candi LeMew
Odd question. Smile No offense.

Very simple answer though - In RP terms of course alts are separate people.

In my case most of my alts are either family members of my main (There are 3 sisters and one brother) or they are family employees.

Yes, they are all "me", but they are very distinct and separate characters in a roleplay-sense. If you messaged each of them in-character you would get very different responses. It can be quite a challenge to RP multiple-characters like that, especially when I have more than one in a RP channel at once.

Edit: In terms of how one account and how you'd RP the fact that only one can be online at the same time? Well the others are sleeping, or course. Or attending duties "planetside". Not really difficult to RP around *shrug*

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Violet Kross
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-03-02 03:00:14 UTC
Candi LeMew wrote:
If you messaged each of them in-character you would get very different responses. It can be quite a challenge to RP multiple-characters like that, especially when I have more than one in a RP channel at once.


That makes sense, I guess. Since I often don't play in an RPing environment, I always respond to the name of my main, no matter what character I'm using. Even with roleplayers, they'll often ask my alts questions that are meant to be directed at my main. The post I was referring to earlier (I'll edit in the link when I find it) talks about how black market technology could create neural links between capsuleers, either merging their personalities or eliminating the personality of one of them.
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Arataka Research Consortium
#5 - 2014-03-02 03:01:43 UTC
The end of the first comic for EVE: True Stories shows the BoB director stumbling toward a clone of his alt; this provides a bit of canon support for alts being the same person.

At the same time, some players play their characters as separate people for RP purposes, and that's legit; sure, there's fudging on assets, but so long as the characters are distinct and recognizeably individual, then I say go for it.

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#6 - 2014-03-02 03:12:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Candi LeMew
Violet Kross wrote:
That makes sense, I guess. Since I often don't play in an RPing environment, I always respond to the name of my main, no matter what character I'm using.

So do I, but only when I'm not in a RP environment. Otherwise that'd be poor RP.

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Even with roleplayers, they'll often ask my alts questions that are meant to be directed at my main.

I'd call that bad RP personally, and the character in question would respond confused, wondering why he/she is being asked this odd question that should be directed at someone else.

Makoto Priano wrote:
The end of the first comic for EVE: True Stories shows the BoB director stumbling toward a clone of his alt; this provides a bit of canon support for alts being the same person.

Would you really classify that as 'canon' though? I'd have thought that story was just one person's creative interpretation of events rather than anything 'official'.

In any event I'd see "jumping" into your alt's clones like that as being the rare exception to the rule. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me. What?

Edit again: Although now you mention it I do know one RP'er who has several clones with almost identical names, he RP's them in that way so he can switch genders as required. Big smile

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#7 - 2014-03-02 03:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Himnos Altar
Candi LeMew wrote:
Violet Kross wrote:
That makes sense, I guess. Since I often don't play in an RPing environment, I always respond to the name of my main, no matter what character I'm using.

So do I, but only when I'm not in a RP environment. Otherwise that'd be poor RP.

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Even with roleplayers, they'll often ask my alts questions that are meant to be directed at my main.

I'd call that bad RP personally, and the character in question would respond confused, wondering why he/she is being asked this odd question that should be directed at someone else.

Makoto Priano wrote:
The end of the first comic for EVE: True Stories shows the BoB director stumbling toward a clone of his alt; this provides a bit of canon support for alts being the same person.

Would you really classify that as 'canon' though? I'd have thought that story was just one person's creative interpretation of events rather than anything 'official'.

In any event I'd see "jumping" into your alt's clones like that as being the rare exception to the rule. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me. What?

Edit again: Although now you mention it I do know one RP'er who has several clones with almost identical names, he RP's them in that way so he can switch genders as required. Big smile



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BOOBS! (re: why would you jump into an alt's clone)

And then I had a couple paragraph rant about how the very concept of being an RP player is ridiculous in the extreme. Everyone in EVE plays their role. Whether it's the New Order being more blatant about it, the white knights against the New Order, big bad COWs, um, BoB and Sir Molle--er, Goons and Mittani, Gevlon and his anti-Goons/RVB kick he's currently on, the podcasters as the media or EVE, the null alliances/coalitions/blocs, the PVPers, the marketeers, the miners--they're all playing their role in EVE.

Some people realize it (Erotica 1, James 315, arguably Mittens) and some don't. But IMHO if you're logged into EVE and/or contributing to the EVE meta, you're roleplaying.

Yourself.

Some people just happen to put a bit (read: a lot) more work into their roleplaying than others.


Personally I would argue that The Mittani is the single greatest RPer in EVE. He knows he's the big bad villain and he plays the self-aggrandizing, James Bond, mustache-twirling, tie the damsel to the train tracks villain to a T.

The fact that he manages to get a corp/alliance/entire CFC to roleplay his vision alongside him is what makes him so bloody brilliant.

James 315 is, to me, the second greatest RPer in New Eden.
Violet Kross
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-03-02 03:40:25 UTC
Himnos Altar wrote:
BOOBS! (re: why would you jump into an alt's clone)

And then I had a couple paragraph rant about how the very concept of being an RP player is ridiculous in the extreme. Everyone in EVE plays their role. Whether it's the New Order being more blatant about it, the white knights against the New Order, big bad COWs, um, BoB and Sir Molle--er, Goons and Mittani, Gevlon and his anti-Goons/RVB kick he's currently on, the podcasters as the media or EVE, the null alliances/coalitions/blocs, the PVPers, the marketeers, the miners--they're all playing their role in EVE.

Some people realize it (Erotica 1, James 315, arguably Mittens) and some don't. But IMHO if you're logged into EVE and/or contributing to the EVE meta, you're roleplaying.

Yourself.

Some people just happen to put a bit (read: a lot) more work into their roleplaying than others.


I cannot agree with this enough. Seriously.

In this thread I'm thinking more along the lines of how alts work from a lore point of view. I'm not much of an RPer myself besides working with the New Order, but I love reading about Eve lore and how mechanics like this would translate into lore.
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#9 - 2014-03-02 03:44:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Himnos Altar
Violet Kross wrote:
Himnos Altar wrote:
BOOBS! (re: why would you jump into an alt's clone)

And then I had a couple paragraph rant about how the very concept of being an RP player is ridiculous in the extreme. Everyone in EVE plays their role. Whether it's the New Order being more blatant about it, the white knights against the New Order, big bad COWs, um, BoB and Sir Molle--er, Goons and Mittani, Gevlon and his anti-Goons/RVB kick he's currently on, the podcasters as the media or EVE, the null alliances/coalitions/blocs, the PVPers, the marketeers, the miners--they're all playing their role in EVE.

Some people realize it (Erotica 1, James 315, arguably Mittens) and some don't. But IMHO if you're logged into EVE and/or contributing to the EVE meta, you're roleplaying.

Yourself.

Some people just happen to put a bit (read: a lot) more work into their roleplaying than others.


I cannot agree with this enough. Seriously.

In this thread I'm thinking more along the lines of how alts work from a lore point of view. I'm not much of an RPer myself besides working with the New Order, but I love reading about Eve lore and how mechanics like this would translate into lore.



My personal lore is that my (many) alts are all friends (and/or relatives) (or at least acquaintances) who happen to work together. They buy their Concord 30 day PLEX with either planetary currency or ISK that they make in the normal playtime.

I had a lot more of that on a blog on podlogs before it went belly up and I lost a lot of stuff.
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#10 - 2014-03-02 03:47:59 UTC
Meh, boobs are overrated. Lol

I've always been more about legs. Hence my characters are petite n' skinny lol

And they're all fun to play for different reasons due to their varied personalities.

You're correct in many respects. Everyone who plays EVE is roleplaying a character in a very basic sense, but the framework they use is generally limited to things that the game provides - their avatar, their loyalties, their ingame desires.

For actual roleplayers the framework is much bigger. Your character has personal tastes, desires, goals and opinions as well as morale boundaries. All of which may be vastly different to your own, and different to your other characters too. Just like writing a story and portraying the various characters within, it can be fun playing personalities and kinda writing your own living story as you go. Smile

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Khimi Harar
#11 - 2014-03-02 16:35:49 UTC
Generally the explanation given is that the alts have some deeply persona reason for taking up the limited role they do.As was mentioned above, some consider them family; others might have been funded into being a capsuleer (which, remember, is an extended process and not merely a quick surgery and you're good to go) by the 'main' in the equation. Maybe some huge debt is owed - did the main do something for the alt that would leave them with some sort of personal or blood debt that would leave them choosing to repay the 'main' with service? Sometimes the reasoning is that they were forced - maybe the 'main' is holding a family member hostage, or has some deeply damaging information regarding the 'alt'.

On the Amarr end of things, one trope that often comes up is the 'alt' being a subservient member of the same Amarrian house or organization the 'main' is; not just slaves (although those appear often enough) but just lower-ranking members of the same house who would follow the higher-ranking 'main' because Amarrian society is highly authoritarian and doing what your Holder tells you to is ingrained deeply even into capsuleers.a
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-03-03 17:21:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Both of the following can work. Either alts are entirely different people or alts are merely the same person in a different body. I feel both would be able to fit into the cannon quite well.

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#13 - 2014-03-03 23:38:38 UTC
I always think of on-account alts as the same consciousness and off-account alts as allies.

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State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-03-04 16:05:21 UTC
All of my chars have their own personalities, and although at first they may seem to be very similar to one another, there are some differences in mannerisms, views and preferences.

As for in-character explanation, I've been itching to write a story about exactly that from one of the character's standpoint for a long time now, though I am not that good at writing. I may get it all together and finally finish it at some point. Not that it would be considered canon anyway.
MutnantRebel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-03-05 06:47:04 UTC
Interesting question, one I've only briefly considered. I generally don't RP. I am just me, and my character I guess is my alternate ego in the cosmos. Well, I guess I AM RPing then LOL. But not in any strict sense of the term.

I've never been able to make my characters all be different. This character, for example, acts the exact same as my old one which I have now lost forever.

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Vicktor Strelok
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-03-21 23:57:17 UTC
As I read on the new comics, alt accouts are treated as cannon, I mean, you can really be someone else. It is part of the lore. You guys just have to notice that part of EVE lore is constructed by us capsuleers, and if we use alts, that, in someway, is cannonized and start being part of the lore.
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Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#17 - 2014-03-22 03:26:02 UTC
Vicktor Strelok wrote:
As I read on the new comics, alt accouts are treated as cannon, I mean, you can really be someone else. It is part of the lore. You guys just have to notice that part of EVE lore is constructed by us capsuleers, and if we use alts, that, in someway, is cannonized and start being part of the lore.


I don't think what happens in the comics is prime fiction. It is presenting the meta-game (decidedly not part of the prime fiction) through the lens of in game activity (because a comic of chat logs and Ventrilo conversations would not be as exciting). A capsuleer can only be on person. (Minus the eternal special case, rule breaking Broker.)

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#18 - 2014-04-16 03:12:52 UTC
Didn't Tibus Heth have operating more than one clone simultaneously in one of the Gonzales'es books?
Just Another Capsuleer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-04-16 03:35:33 UTC
Leeloo Killik wrote:
Didn't Tibus Heth have operating more than one clone simultaneously in one of the Gonzales'es books?

It was Broker, not Heth. Heth is (was?) an ordinary human.
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#20 - 2014-04-16 22:14:17 UTC
Just Another Capsuleer wrote:
Leeloo Killik wrote:
Didn't Tibus Heth have operating more than one clone simultaneously in one of the Gonzales'es books?

It was Broker, not Heth. Heth is (was?) an ordinary human.

Oh, correct, thanks
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