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Geneticist proposes "Test for Minmatarness"
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Constantly Outraged Sebiestor
Gutter Press
#1 - 2014-03-01 10:44:29 UTC
Gutter Press recently spoke to a geneticist working in Pator, and was informed of the possibility of a "Test of Minmatarness", involving DNA, which would prove who is and who is not a member of the Tribes.

Using mitochondrial DNA, which is inherited from a person's mother, and comparing that DNA with DNA from populations living on Matar, then it can be proven if a person is related to any of the Matar clans.

The geneticist and their team claimed that such a test can be used to determine the "Minmatarness" of any rescued slaves - if their mitochondrial DNA is the same as that of the Matar populations, then that rescued slave is Minmatar. If it is not the same, then that rescued slave is not descended from purely Minmatar mothers, and is thus "not Minmatar". Which would exclude anyone from the "9th Generation Minmatar" whose female ancestors up to their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother were not all Minmatar.

This test allegedly greatly reduces the numbers of the Amarr Empire's slave population who qualify as being "Minmatar", which some say could be used as a bargaining chip to end the militia wars that have caused so much unrest recently.

People on the streets of Matar were divided on the issue.

"Well, if someone's umpteenthly great grandmother was Ealurian, that would make them not Minmatar, wouldn't it?" asked one Sebiestor starship mechanic.
"Does this mean that I don't have to recognise my daughter-in-law's children, since my foolish son chose to marry some Gallente girl?" asked a Sebiestor exotic dancer.
"I don't know that compromising with the Amarr Empire is a good idea", said a Sebiestor sportball player.
"Testing for Minmatarness sounds a bit suspect if you ask me. Opens up a can of worms", said a Sebiestor motorcycle hooligan.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-03-01 11:22:22 UTC
Constantly Outraged Sebiestor wrote:

"Does this mean that I don't have to recognise my daughter-in-law's children, since my foolish son chose to marry some Gallente girl?" asked a Sebiestor exotic dancer.

Marrying such subhuman as a gallente is a devastating blow to any bloodline, including Sebeistor.
That alone warrants death.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
#3 - 2014-03-01 12:58:14 UTC
Hey, Diana, have you already traced your genealogy 16 generations back to be sure you don't have any Gallente genetics on you?
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#4 - 2014-03-01 16:31:04 UTC
Hey why not.

-Eran
Gaufres
Just Keep Hanging On
#5 - 2014-03-01 20:58:15 UTC
With so much time passing with the Amarr having slaves, I suspect that most if not all the Amarrian Holders have some sort of Minmatar blood in their family background by now.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#6 - 2014-03-01 21:25:28 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Racial purity…

It seems we find yet another similarity between our Tribal and State cousins.

If… there are those who find the glittering illusion of the former republic not to their taste, or even unwelcoming and do not wish to return to the Empire.

The Federation as always stands ready to receive all, who come without hesitation, reservation or evasion of mind.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#7 - 2014-03-01 22:49:28 UTC
Ethical issues aside, I'm seeing a flaw here.

Someone whose female ancestors were all Minmatar but who has several non-Minmatar male ancestors would pass such a test while someone whose male ancestors were all Minmatar but who had a single non-Minmatar female ancestor would fail it.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Morgan Wulver
SAYR Reserve Guard
SAYR Galactic
#8 - 2014-03-01 23:22:38 UTC
Interesting that only Sebiestors seemed to comment for this article. I assume this is because all the rest of the Matari races were off sharpening their spears for war or some business like that.

Joking aside, it will be interesting to see how the Mandate handles this news.

Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#9 - 2014-03-02 00:12:55 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Ethical issues aside, I'm seeing a flaw here.

Someone whose female ancestors were all Minmatar but who has several non-Minmatar male ancestors would pass such a test while someone whose male ancestors were all Minmatar but who had a single non-Minmatar female ancestor would fail it.



Well, you know what they say: "maternity is a fact, paternity a conjecture"

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#10 - 2014-03-02 08:56:48 UTC
Apollo Lyserius wrote:
Hey, Diana, have you already traced your genealogy 16 generations back to be sure you don't have any Gallente genetics on you?

Considering how strictly genealogy is controled through the sociological pressures of our culture, I highly doubt that Diana Kim has any trace of Gallente blood in her.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#11 - 2014-03-02 10:06:39 UTC
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:
Considering how strictly genealogy is controled through the sociological pressures of our culture, I highly doubt that Diana Kim has any trace of Gallente blood in her.

It's more likely than you think.

She may have bitten the ear off a Gallente within the last 16 hours and not spit in time.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#12 - 2014-03-02 13:12:36 UTC
I'm beginning to doubt the veracity of Gutter Press articles. Who knew?

**Vherokior **
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2014-03-02 18:31:47 UTC
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:
Apollo Lyserius wrote:
Hey, Diana, have you already traced your genealogy 16 generations back to be sure you don't have any Gallente genetics on you?

Considering how strictly genealogy is controled through the sociological pressures of our culture, I highly doubt that Diana Kim has any trace of Gallente blood in her.


Go back more than a few centuries and find us living alongside the Gallente in the Federation. It's more likely than you think.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#14 - 2014-03-02 21:27:28 UTC
So lemme make sure I get it.

The children of a Minmatar woman and Amarrian man are Minmatar by this method...

...but not the inverse?

What?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#15 - 2014-03-02 23:22:02 UTC
Morgan Wulver wrote:
Joking aside, it will be interesting to see how the Mandate handles this news.


It's not new to us. But then we've been rejecting the ideas of bloodlines being more important than souls for a long, long time already.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
#16 - 2014-03-02 23:47:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Apollo Lyserius
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:

Considering how strictly genealogy is controled through the sociological pressures of our culture, I highly doubt that Diana Kim has any trace of Gallente blood in her.


You'd be amazed by how easily deceived such sociological pressures are. Just like a tattoo can be concealed by sleeves and make-up, one's ancestry can be sometimes completely masked.

And as Mr. Tuulinen said, Caldari and Gallente history are the same until not long ago in genetic terms. But not only that.

Federation citizens are genetically diverse. They can look like nearly anything. That happens because the Federation received and still receives lots of immigrants. Besides, it also exports countless professionals everywhere and because of the aforementioned diversity, these professionals can easily assimilate or even pass as locals, if they are willing to mask their cultural identity, easily dribbling those "sociological pressures."

I am a living proof of that. My mother is a Gallente cook who sought and found work in the Caldari State, and my father was a Deteis pilot in the Navy who happened to fall in love with her. Avoiding these pressures for the ten years they were married didn't seem to be to hard.

Ava Starfire wrote:
So lemme make sure I get it.

The children of a Minmatar woman and Amarrian man are Minmatar by this method...

...but not the inverse?

What?


Pretty much. The thing is that such tests already exist, and this one is just silly.

Mitochondrial DNA is used for tracking the maternal lineage only. Paternal lineage is traced by using the Y chromosome. If the individual is a woman, then she would have to look for a brother, father, or uncle, to trace her paternal lineage.
Karynn Denton
Astrometrica
#17 - 2014-03-03 09:30:42 UTC
Stupid idea and a waste of time and money.

It wouldn't surprise me if this hare-brained scheme was sponsored by the Republican government.

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master
Constantly Outraged Sebiestor
Gutter Press
#18 - 2014-03-03 20:24:42 UTC
Morgan Wulver wrote:
Interesting that only Sebiestors seemed to comment for this article.


I'm Sebiestor. Sebiestors talk to Sebiestors.

Karynn Denton wrote:

It wouldn't surprise me if this hare-brained scheme was sponsored by the Republican government.


Are you suggesting that the Republic government may use this to greatly reduce the number of slaves held in the Empire that they need to free, before they can say they've "won" the militia wars ?
Karynn Denton
Astrometrica
#19 - 2014-03-04 10:08:08 UTC
Constantly Outraged Sebiestor wrote:

Karynn Denton wrote:

It wouldn't surprise me if this hare-brained scheme was sponsored by the Republican government.


Are you suggesting that the Republic government may use this to greatly reduce the number of slaves held in the Empire that they need to free, before they can say they've "won" the militia wars ?


Actually, I was just taking the opportunity to have a dig at the Republican government, but now that you mention it...

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master
Slave A00073078
Northern Raven Reconnaissance Syndicate
#20 - 2014-03-06 19:41:53 UTC
Ooh. I can test my minmatarness and then maybe the republic police won't shoot at me as much.
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