EVE General Discussion

A small group of leaders already owns every system, so talking about this in the future tense is pretty silly. The OP's idea isn't perfect but it is a step in the right direction.

I don't read the OP's suggestion that way. It's not about locking people out, its about making reinforcements behave as if the whole game is in TiDi, not just the system with the combat.

For example, if the total TiDi time expanded the system time an extra 30 minutes then reinforcements arriving from systems outside of TiDi should have to add 30 minutes to their travel time before joining combat.

Back up a second. You think people who are less prepared should win... just because?
And yes it is worse, because under the proposed system there wouldn't be any fight to begin with, which is objectively worse than the current system which allows fights. And fights are, you know, fun.
Most people who partake in tidi slugfests enjoy them - if they didn't they'd be off doing something else instead of jumping into systems they know are tidi'd.

TiDI is an arbitrary and meaningless restriction in the first place, but its understandable to avoid lockups and other unpleasant things, but If you were too far away to from the fight in the first place, why should you reinforce faster because the ships in combat are in a 10% speed goop. If the system ran full speed you sure as hell couldn't reinforce as fast.

No you're incorrect, I believe that TiDI shouldn't give artificial time to bring reinforcements and dogpile the fight. Seems you're the one that wants the less prepared to win every fight simply because you're wealthier and have more people to call on.

Anyone who thinks that the OLD SYSTEM (AKA locking the second fleet out of a fight (Albeit with this particular change, at least the ships should be safe while warping, jumping into a clogged system in the past meant your ship could get popped while your screen was still not loaded)) is in any way better than the TiDi system, is ignorant and their opinion is invalid. Arguing with them is pointless.

If you want to think about ways to slow down reinforcements without making it impossible for someone to defend their stuff, perhaps when a system kicks into TiDi, it creates a small ripple effect, so that all the surrounding systems experience TiDi to a lesser degree. You could still come and reinforce, but it would take more time to actually fly there. Certainly you could still bridge or cyno in, but it would limit the reinforcements to some degree. People would have to have cynos and bridges scheduled for reinforcement groups. You could go a step farther and, depending on the time TiDi has been in effect, possible increase the "effective range" from other systems (What I mean is basically make it effectively a longer jump than it would be normally, depending on the length of the battle. The longer it goes on, the closer ships would have to be to cyno or bridge into the system.) I know it seems silly, but it would mean that it would take more effort to defend a far-flung empire, you would have to have staging areas much closer to all of your space you wanted to defend.

Not a perfect idea, but it's better than the old way by an infinite order of magnitude, and it would address the fact that you can login three hours after a fight starts, and still fly there and only ten minutes of the fight have gone by :P

The problem is sov mechanics, it doesn't even make sense that in a space game you'd have magical shields with timers, if someone wants to take a system they shouldn't need to wait 24 hours to take it. You go to a system attack, and if no one can defend the system in time its yours.

The only complaint about this is that super mega blob alliances might find it more difficult to manage these huge renter systems, and might not be able to monopolize all of the space if they can't organize a force within 24 hours to blob the system to death.

I've always felt with way too. Timers are a handicap and should be removed. If you can't defend your space in all time zones you shouldn't have it.

Well there is a fundamental flaw in your plan that being that a system never runs at beyond 100% of normal speed so if it ever goes TiDi it will never catch up but for the sake of argument, since I think your idea is worth discussing, lets say that as soon as the system hits 50% TiDi or better the clock (THE CLOCK not game mechanics, just the time that system reads compared to the rest of eve) in that system runs at a highly increased rate until such a time as the TiDi gets worse than 50% again.

Your implementation would be very bad as the first group to enter the system would win in most cases, however a slight modification, that being when the TiDi'd system catches up to the time the new entrees jumped in (not when it is synced with live clock but when the clock of the Tidi System reaches the Eve Time on Live at which the new pilot jumped in) and a confirmation message explaining that this system's clock is at X and current Eve time is Y and it will take at least Y-X = N if not longer for the jump request to be completed would solve it while still retaining fairness to all parties who have an agenda in that system.

This would also in a way bring response times in heavily time dilated in line with the way events would pan out in non time-dilated fights because your reinforcements will arrive at a time scaled with the time dilation in that system. So if a fight breaks out and instantly dilates to 10% and it takes 1 hour for reinforcements to arrive from the opposing force there will truly be 1 hour of GAME time between the time the fight breaks out and the time the reinforcements arrive rather than 6 minutes of game time as it would be now. I see that as an improvement.
Thoughts?

At high TIDI's you could have a queue based system to filter people in more randomly. If there are 3500 people in system and 10% TiDi then as people die slots become available and other people are allowed to enter.

If you have a fleet of 250 people and you cyno or jump into a system you're queued until 250 people leave system or a timer expires whichever comes first.

Sort of like Jita and I know many many people in this thread fully support the queues in Jita.



Largely irrelevant to the issue. The issue you're raising Baltec is not timers its your ability to chew through 100 systems in 72 hours, stations and sov structures in 30 minutes and POS in 5.

That's more an issue with capitals, the population of the CFC putting it 30th on the smallest countries in the world list and the ability to jump all over EVE in no time at all. Not timers.