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Putin using an old one from the Generic Dictator's Bag of Tricks

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#1 - 2014-03-01 18:10:07 UTC
Russian Parliament has authorized direct military intervention in Ukraine today.
(Yesterday it was only "non-military humanitarian aid"
Putin says it is necessary to "protect ethnic Russians in area".
I believe someone in the late 30's used a very similar reason to invade a few countries.

Not that Putin has eyes on any other countries...today.

Meanwhile, the super-mighty u.s. of a, has decided that they will sit this one out, and have told Putin that he is very naughty and there "will be costs". Actually, I should not pick on the u.s. Looks like the entire world has no interest in taking on the russians over Ukraine. When you are dealing with a powerful military, backed by nukes, countries suddenly are quite reluctant to engage.

Just another reason that Canada needs nuclear subs and nuclear weapons. When the Arctic opens up thanks to global warming, and the russians/americans/whoever else has the firepower decides that Ellesmere Island and that shelf actually are part of a continental shelf extending from wherever is convenient, Canada has to be able to exercise and maintain its sovereignty.

And the only thing bullies like putin and Big Oil understand is power.
There is a reason that North Korea has not been invaded. There are actually about 6 of them.

And if Ukraine is finding out today why they should have actually kept some of the nukes left by the 1990's russian breakup.
stoicfaux
#2 - 2014-03-01 18:26:10 UTC
If global warming/climate change dramatically rearranges farmland, then Canada will be assimilated in the US.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#3 - 2014-03-01 18:31:25 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
If global warming/climate change dramatically rearranges farmland, then Canada will be assimilated in the US.



Have a look at the Sierra's snow cover this year, read how low Hoover Dam water levels are, and I am pretty sure you know about the California drought. It is only a matter of time before the u.s. is in such a bad way for water, (can't wait for the real effects of fracking to be experienced), they will look northward.

if we had nukes, and I mean a lot of them, the u.s would not invade, nor would countries like russia play games with this continental shelf business in the Arctic.
BLACK-STAR
#4 - 2014-03-01 18:56:07 UTC
Canada needs nukes to maintain sovereignty? So, canoe it through a river and release it to the ocean hoping it hits something?

Ukraine doesn't need nukes to resolve their issue, that's their land and Russia has no jurisdiction claiming territory anywhere. They can withdraw their supporters but shooting is another ordeal.

Also in before lock since politics are prohibited.
Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
#5 - 2014-03-01 19:01:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Wrayeth
This will end well.






































Also, if anyone thought that sentence was anything but sarcasm, I have a bridge I'd like to sell. P I'd post more but discussion, politics, etc., etc.
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
#6 - 2014-03-01 19:12:38 UTC
What bridge?





I like Jelly.

Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!

Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
#7 - 2014-03-01 19:22:51 UTC
Tollen Gallen wrote:
What bridge?



Let's go with the London Bridge. It's mine, and you can pick it up in Lake Havasu, Arizona, U.S.A. for the low, low price of only $9,995.95 USD!*
















*Statement not to be taken at face value. Poster does not actually own said bridge. Heed all warning labels on package. Terms and conditions apply. Free goat not included with purchase.
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
#8 - 2014-03-01 19:30:29 UTC
Does it come in Coffee Flavor?




I like Cake.

Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!

Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-03-01 20:14:12 UTC
Wrayeth wrote:
Free goat not included with purchase.

Bummer. Sad
Mystri
#10 - 2014-03-01 21:55:16 UTC
Gas, gas, get your cheap gas here!

Gas, gas, get your cheap future options here, QUICK! oh yer too late comrade...
XNCReman
Soviet Directorate of Eve
#11 - 2014-03-01 23:04:43 UTC
BLACK-STAR wrote:
Canada needs nukes to maintain sovereignty? So, canoe it through a river and release it to the ocean hoping it hits something?

Ukraine doesn't need nukes to resolve their issue, that's their land and Russia has no jurisdiction claiming territory anywhere. They can withdraw their supporters but shooting is another ordeal.

Also in before lock since politics are prohibited.


http://www.seanmmaloney.com/articles/i0061.html - Canadian Nuclear weapons, and we are very capable of making them, overnight, because every commercial nuclear power plant in Canada is a Breeder.


Heres my take on this, Crimea use to be apart of Russia until the 1950's and the majority back then were un-happy with the USSR's move to make it apart of the Ukraine, and it seems the majority of people there want to re-join Russia, and that’s fine by me, and it would be foolish for Ukraine to not allow it, as it could create more problems for them in the future.

As for Russia’s Response on this, First They are getting desperate, Russia's sphere of influence over the Former Soviet states, Warsaw pact members and collection of poor tin-pot dictatorship has been dimensioning the last ten years. Russia's GDP per capita has been increasing since Putin has been running Russia, but places like Ukraine are still struggling and the people there feel that have have more to gain from, which I don't blame them. Second reason for this response, its just to appease the internal audience with-in Russia, same as Obama's response to the situation, to appeal to the conservatives with in the USA, typical Cold-war era wind bagness.

Whats in the future, if Ukraine breaks away Russia, it means other Former soviet states are probably going to do the same thing, meaning Russia's going to be face of either being alone, or having to integrate with the West(IE the rest of the world) trade wise.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-03-01 23:41:32 UTC
XNCReman wrote:
BLACK-STAR wrote:
Canada needs nukes to maintain sovereignty? So, canoe it through a river and release it to the ocean hoping it hits something?

Ukraine doesn't need nukes to resolve their issue, that's their land and Russia has no jurisdiction claiming territory anywhere. They can withdraw their supporters but shooting is another ordeal.

Also in before lock since politics are prohibited.


http://www.seanmmaloney.com/articles/i0061.html - Canadian Nuclear weapons, and we are very capable of making them, overnight, because every commercial nuclear power plant in Canada is a Breeder.


Heres my take on this, Crimea use to be apart of Russia until the 1950's and the majority back then were un-happy with the USSR's move to make it apart of the Ukraine, and it seems the majority of people there want to re-join Russia, and that’s fine by me, and it would be foolish for Ukraine to not allow it, as it could create more problems for them in the future.

As for Russia’s Response on this, First They are getting desperate, Russia's sphere of influence over the Former Soviet states, Warsaw pact members and collection of poor tin-pot dictatorship has been dimensioning the last ten years. Russia's GDP per capita has been increasing since Putin has been running Russia, but places like Ukraine are still struggling and the people there feel that have have more to gain from, which I don't blame them. Second reason for this response, its just to appease the internal audience with-in Russia, same as Obama's response to the situation, to appeal to the conservatives with in the USA, typical Cold-war era wind bagness.

Whats in the future, if Ukraine breaks away Russia, it means other Former soviet states are probably going to do the same thing, meaning Russia's going to be face of either being alone, or having to integrate with the West(IE the rest of the world) trade wise.

lol
And Crimean Tatars, who owned Crim before than, were vassals of Ottoman Empire, so lets just return Crim to Turkey and be done with it.
☺7

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Earthan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-03-01 23:45:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Earthan
Quote:
Crimea use to be apart of Russia until the 1950's and the majority back then were un-happy with the USSR's move to make it apart of the Ukraine, and it seems the majority of people there want to re-join Russia, and that’s fine by me, and it would be foolish for Ukraine to not allow it, as it could create more problems for them in the future.


..,Which ofc is total bull**** when it happens precisely at such a moment.Futhermore around 20 years ago there was budapest memorandum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances signed among others by Russia.

Putin wants Crimea and is being not very subtle about it, doign the same stuff as before.All other rationalizations are just bull****

To all Russian poeple: I dont know how much freedom you got in Russia and how dangerous it is, but really, i would never let the leaders of my country do such a thing, i would protest with all my force.
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
#14 - 2014-03-02 01:04:10 UTC
Is the bridge coffee flavored?????






I like Snow.

Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#15 - 2014-03-02 01:09:24 UTC
Putin: "Hey everyone ! Thanks for coming to our lovely Olympics last week."

"Now, watch this one neat trick. You're gonna love it..........." Lol

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2014-03-02 01:10:22 UTC
The 2nd Crimean War ? ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-03-02 03:01:45 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
The 2nd Crimean War ? ?

More like 12th.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2014-03-02 05:07:01 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
The 2nd Crimean War ? ?


Only if Britain gets involved there again.
Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
#19 - 2014-03-02 05:18:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
The 2nd Crimean War ? ?


Only if Britain gets involved there again.



That reminds me of something. Hmm...what could it be?
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#20 - 2014-03-02 06:38:00 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Russian Parliament has authorized direct military intervention in Ukraine today.
(Yesterday it was only "non-military humanitarian aid"
Putin says it is necessary to "protect ethnic Russians in area".
I believe someone in the late 30's used a very similar reason to invade a few countries.


Except that about two thirds of the crimean population ARE ethnic Russians who seem to prefer closer ties with Motherland.
"National aspirations must be respected; people may now be dominated and governed only by their own consent. Self determination is not a mere phrase; it is an imperative principle of action. . . ."
Who said that? Oh, President Woodrow Wilson!
Who is the agressor and who is the defender in this case? It´s certainly not that simple.

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