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Rate my LV3 Mission Runner Raven?
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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#21 - 2014-03-01 11:22:28 UTC
One positive thing is that this thread gave me a new subject for another video guide; capacitor, how it works and how to use it.
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-03-01 11:27:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Damien White
So it will be a 10s short video saying "You caprecharge is strongest at 30%"?


Or do you actually explain when to go for what type of cap management instead of simply saying "Dont use cap mods, beeing cap stable is wrong and cap boosters solve everything" and "maybe" even try to explain what to aim for in terms of cap vs tank vs damage?


@ baltec1: You realy do think the op has the knowledge you do, do you?


EDIT: "Another" video guide? Do you already have some and could give me a link? That would be awesome.

97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,

"DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#23 - 2014-03-01 11:34:58 UTC
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2014-03-01 11:39:50 UTC
Damien White wrote:

@ baltec1: You realy do think the op has the knowledge you do, do you?


The great thing about newbees is that they absorb new information like a sponge and they don't have bad habits.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#25 - 2014-03-01 11:41:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Damien White wrote:

@ baltec1: You realy do think the op has the knowledge you do, do you?


The great thing about newbees is that they absorb new information like a sponge and they don't have bad habits.


So much ******* this. Newbies COULD become the same clueless meme spouting clowns like the vast majority but if shielded from those clowns and shown "the light" they are capable of not being ****.
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-03-01 11:47:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Damien White wrote:

@ baltec1: You realy do think the op has the knowledge you do, do you?


The great thing about newbees is that they absorb new information like a sponge and they don't have bad habits.


Than give him the information...

You did explain nothing he could "absorb like a sponge".

97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,

"DO A BARREL ROLL!"
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2014-03-01 11:55:02 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Damien White wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Damien White wrote:

@ baltec1: You realy do think the op has the knowledge you do, do you?


The great thing about newbees is that they absorb new information like a sponge and they don't have bad habits.


Than give him the information...

You did explain nothing he could "absorb like a sponge".


Gave him the fit, the implants, told him about the importance of warp speed and told where to get the mission info (EVE Survival)

Another tip for you OP. When using rapid light or heavy missiles be sure to load up the correct damage type for the mission before you undock, the reload timers are long on these weapons so get the instant swap while docked. You will be warping as fast as assault frigates so there will not be time in warp and you want to lay down your firepower as soon as possible when you get to the mission.
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-03-01 12:03:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Damien White
That is a list not an explanation.

Furthermore you calculated with high skills, imps worth hundreds of millions and did not mention eve survival in you "I show you how its done" post.


Anyway, I give up, you wont get the point even if it hits you straight on.


@ Gregor: Watched the EFT video, actually great stuff, should have postet this in the beginning.

97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,

"DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#29 - 2014-03-01 12:04:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Gregor Parud wrote:
Just as it makes sense to use faction ammo it makes sense to spend a TINY little bit of cash on cap boosters if that allows you to not have to use terrible cap rigs and thus apply a ton more dps.

It depends. I don't use faction cap boosters because they're a lot more expensive and my mission hubs are stocked with standard 800s. I guess anyone could stock their local mission hubs if they use red frog so I feel navy 800s are a waste, unless you need to perma-cycle your cap booster.

Edit: Actually, not even sure you were talking about faction cap boosters. If not, then ignore me.

Oh god.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#30 - 2014-03-01 12:10:29 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Just as it makes sense to use faction ammo it makes sense to spend a TINY little bit of cash on cap boosters if that allows you to not have to use terrible cap rigs and thus apply a ton more dps.

It depends. I don't use faction cap boosters because they're a lot more expensive and my mission hubs are stocked with standard 800s. I guess anyone could stock their local mission hubs if they use red frog so I feel navy 800s are a waste, unless you need to perma-cycle your cap booster.



I was comparing faction ammo in a "yes it costs a bit more but it's worth it" with the cost of using boosters "yes, it costs a bit more but the more optimised fit makes it worth it". i didn't mean using navy booster charges :)
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#31 - 2014-03-01 12:11:30 UTC
Yeah, I just realised that and edited my post lol.

Oh god.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2014-03-01 12:14:09 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Damien White wrote:
That is a list not an explanation.

Furthermore you calculated with high skills, imps worth hundreds of millions and did not mention eve survival in you "I show you how its done" post.


Anyway, I give up, you wont get the point even if it hits you straight on.




The info is scattered through my replies to you. As for the fittings, think of it as a goal for the OP to work toward but most importantly it gives the OP more options to consider. Half of the fun in this game is working out how to do things in your own way. Untill this thread came up I thought I was the only one considering using a raven for level 3 missions so naturally I wanted to pop in my input on this matter.

The biggest issues the OP is going to be facing is warp speed so those implants are a must.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#33 - 2014-03-01 13:10:31 UTC
Damien White wrote:
And then run out of cap charges after 4 minutes. (srsly, they take a metric buttton of cargospace each)



I need 13 cap boosters + 1 in the chamber to clear level 4 guristas assault.
ie why on earth would a raven run out in level 3s ?

The only time I use CCCs and cap rechargers is for ratting where I might just warp from anom to anom in a stationless system for 2 hours straight.
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-03-01 13:28:01 UTC
The Cap Booster fitting was a variant of a L4 Fitting, it was not intented to be used for L3 missions.

And you need 13+1 Charges? How much damage do you do?

97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,

"DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#35 - 2014-03-01 14:28:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
I'm a man of my word, here's my cap recharge tutorial. It also includes the logic behind a cap boosted fit.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-03-01 15:18:55 UTC
Damien White wrote:
The Cap Booster fitting was a variant of a L4 Fitting, it was not intented to be used for L3 missions.

And you need 13+1 Charges? How much damage do you do?


That Guirista assualt is pretty hard on Ravens, they have no tank to speak of.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-03-01 16:15:29 UTC
He would be better off with a Navy Raven for the missile bonuses...

Just make sure it's all deadspace/ officer fit so it doesn't get popped by mission rats.
Dr Cedric
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-03-01 17:15:23 UTC
To the OP, hopefully to help muddle through all the back-and-forth thats been happening:

The argument over PermaTank (higher Capacitor Stability) or higher DPS can be solved very quickly:

Do you want to relax, enjoy the light show, not worry about optimal completion time and not worry about if you hit a wrong trigger,

OR

Do you want to micromanage, memorize (or always look up on the internet) rat spawns and triggers, constantly watch your stats and keep your fingers crossed you don't make a mistake while scrammed.

Both are fun, I've had a ton of fun making fits for mission ships that do each of the above listed.

The most frustrating thing in this entire forum is when one or two people have the "best way" and each of their ways are different!!!!

OMG People... let the OP decide for himself, lose or win himself and earn the experience HIMSELF!!!

OP: the goal you need to work toward is having fun, and figuring out what works best for you. If the fits/suggestions help with that, super! If they confuse you, then totally ignore this thread until you've got a better understanding of all the things people are mentioning.

Mostly, just have fun :)

Cedric
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-03-01 17:21:07 UTC
Actually no.

The problem "was" whether the DPS of the fits was enough to kill the NPC fast enough so he doesnt need much tank or not. The DPS itself where basicaly the same.


Quote:
OMG People... let the OP decide for himself, lose or win himself and earn the experience HIMSELF!!!


In that case no one should answer to any question ever.

97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,

"DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Jeremy Kamira
#40 - 2014-03-01 17:25:52 UTC
So i was thinking about this fit. (I realize that my skills are complete ****)
http://gyazo.com/46340c2032620a64e433b6f1d8072ec2.png

So when i move on to lvl4 (When i have the right skills) i should upgrade the shields and missile launchers to T2?
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