Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The tax man, aka CCP, never saw a dime. (or an ISK )

I agree with you 100% on this one. Some of the folks I contract trade with now I met only because I previously sold something to them, then decided to drop them a message the next time I had those same items to sell again. Some of us have become friends and private contract trade (10,000isk broker fee) back and forth various items all the time now. Which i cool because its a sandbox and we should all play together anyway.

We need to see the market in this game on the enormous scale that it actually is. How many thousands of transactions happen every day? How many PVP/PVEer's, miners, mission runners, etc,.... show up and quick sell their loot, ore, and goods? The broker fees and taxes on all these transactions every day must be huge. (I would love to hear a figure from a dev)

I prefer to deal privately when I sell or buy things, but I dont think CCP will want to let go of the isk cow that broker fees and taxes have come to be.

I strongly support this.

Buyers should have every right to choose who they buy from off the market, and to avoid buying from anyone they wish.

In a game like EVE, the INABILLITY to engage in an economic embargo is.....odd.

Imagine, the Bears rise up and all refuse, en masse, to buy from the Goons.

Yes, Market alts would of course be an issue, as alts always are an issue.

Thats not a good enough reason not to do it IMO.

No, they should not because that's not how commodity brokerage works. It would also make the market hideously inefficient.

If you want to treat with people directly, use contracts — that's what they're for.

It's entirely possible to engage in embargoes and economic warfare. You just have to undock or spend a whole lot of ISK to do so.

Do you also suggest a change of market functionality? Because even if you chose the 10th or 3rd order, you always buy from the top order downwards.

Hm, only benefits for people who sell on the market and not those who buy. I can sort of live with that. I only one concern: 00 sec trading in NPC 00 staging systems of big bullies. Right now you can sell stuff there and people only know that they bought from the enemy after the purchase. With the residents knowing who they buy from it can get a lot more dangerous to bring stuff in these systems, even more than it already is, due to targeted wardecs and ganks.

Hmm. Not sure if you quite got it.

When you look at buy/sell orders on the market interface, you see a variety of information, including:

-# of Items available (or desired to be purchased)
-Price
-Station the order is located in
-Range of the order

The one thing you are not provided - is the name of the player who posted the order.

Now, if you engage in trade with that order (either fulfil a buy order, or buy an item from a sell order) - you can check your transactions and learn the identity of the player/alt that posted the order.

I maintain that you shouldn't be necessary to transact with an order to simply learn the identity of the person who posted it in a public forum.

So I believe, in this way - buyers and sellers are both equally exposed if they are involved in posting long term buy/sell orders.

I would love this, If there was data somewhere that I can trawl through, that tells me if a particular corp is selling Polymers, and I currently have a connection to said corp's WH, then I might just think it a good idea to chuck a Siphon on their POS, instead of hoping that I didn't just waste 30 mil.

Seriously, I made a post before asking if this was possible, and was told no; if there was to chance for this to change, I would be very happy.

Nope, not quite. With the current system you only know after the transaction who you bought from, there is no discrimination and everyone is equal (bots left aside) in the market.

If I stick to the example with my 00 hub trading: If people knew before the transaction who has the best order in the system in your station and it it was none of your people's, you could simply notify your market guys and they could adjust the order, basically putting the other market participants into a massive disadvantage, because the residents could do that before every major or small trade. Right now, however, you simply don't know who you buy from and that is good because you can only influence that after purchasing something, giving other market participants the chance to snatch money away from you and putting everyone on equal ground.

If you are able to act in concert with other members of an alliance/coalition "notifying the market guys" - and they adjust the order to your benefit, you could just as easily request a contract or even a direct trade to bypass the competing order.
Further, there is a cost to readjusting the market order to a higher price after your trade is completed.

Freezing out unfriendly competition in a trade hub is an example of exactly the kind of metagaming that I'm trying to encourage, however. If you don't want your ISK going to an 'unfriendly/scammer/ganker' trade order, why should it?

Refusing to sell to a 'unfriendly' trade order is only one punitive action that could result - aggressive action outside of the market could also result.

In nullsec, learning the identity of the owner of a trade order would probably be easier, simply due to the lower volume of goods present in nullsec stations.

In highsec, where volume of goods is quite high and # of traders is quite dense, learning the identities of those traders would be prohibitively high, as you would have to purchase multiple large stockpiles of each item. High and needless cost for information - that could be freely available on a public market.

Put more simply:
If you deal in Freighters (1.3 Billion each), should you have to purchase all the Freighters in Jita to learn the identity of your competition? What about Jump Freighters? (6.5 Billion each)