Ships & Modules

Hey there, i am really new with this sort of thing, so please give criticism so i know for next time! Here is a screenshot of my build on EFT!

Also why is my DPS so low with this? Even when i check all skillsV the DPS is still just under 400.

http://gyazo.com/4895353e957d71c135a3863b1c437489.png

First, I'd advise using T2 modules where possible. Second, you can copy your fits to your clipboard, then paste them here. Makes it a lot easier for people to debug them. Not sure why your DPS would be that low though. Here's one I just threw together right now.

[Raven, Cruise Raven]
'Mendicant' Signal Booster I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Sensor Booster II
Large Micro Jump Drive
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I

[empty high slot]
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile

Large Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I


I was going to write stats here, but you can just copy it and then import it into EFT

MJD is probably pretty important, and still not sure why you're getting such poor DPS, aside from maybe only using T1 modules.
BTW, this fit is not field tested, and I offer no guarantees that it will be a spectacular success.

Guys... How about ... you know... He might not be able to use full Tech 2 fitts, just saying...


@ Jeremy: You made 2 mistakes resulting in low Damage:

1. You did go for [Without skills] for the using character. Without any skills at all you miss a lot of fittingskills, capskills and damageskills

In the top go to View => Character Editor. Here you can create your cahracter. In case the whole Editor is to complicated, you can (after creating the char but wiothout giving him any skills) go in your EFT folder, open the Characters Folder and edit the createt character by using the Editor.

2. You did only use Meta 0 Equipment.

Six cruise missile launcher I without any other items or skills will do 109 DPS and 2250 Volley. When you go for other Metalevels your rate of fire increases, giving you way better Damage:

[Meta 1] Malkuth Cruise Missile Launcher: 115/2250
[Meta 2] Limos Cruise Missile Launcher: 121/2250
[Meta 3] XT-9000 Cruise Missile Launcher: 128/2250
[Meta 4] Arbalest Cruise Missile Launcher: 136/2250

So the difference in DPS between Meta 0 Cruise Missile Launchers I and meta 4 Arbalest Cruise Missile Launcher I's is 30%

The same applies for every other module. Using Meta 2 or 3 Ballistic Controlls will give you more damage, using Meta 4 Shield Boosters gice you more tank etc.



Using the previous mentioned method I createt an all 3 character and changed your fitting to meta 3 (Meta 4 for weapons because they are woth every single isk) resulting in the following:



132/177 Omni Tank instead of 67/152
362/3397 Damage instead of 162/2656
no need for a Co Processor

And that is just because of changing the metalevel and skills.


Now for the fitting itself

First of all, Capacitor Power Relays might give you better Caprecharge but they also reduce your shieldboost and thereby your tank. Using a Power Diagnostic System might look counter intuitive because they dont give you as much cap as a capacitor power relay but they provide you with a Bonus to you Basecap aswell.

Fitting a "Mark I Generator Refitting Diagnostic System" will reduce your permatank only ba 2 to 130 instead of 132 but increases your peaktank up to 197 instead of 177 (+20)

Second: Shield Boost Amplifiers are a waste on a ship without a bonus to shield boost ammount and even then you only go for one singular shield boost amplifier. Instead it is better to use 2+2 Hardeners.

Calculating with a 50% / 50% Thermal Kinetik Damageprofile the fitting I postet above has:

Permatank: 208
Peaktank: 278

If we remove the Shield Boost Amplifiers:

Permatank: 138
Peaktank: 180

And now we install one additional Thermal and Kinetik Hardener in the former Shield Boost Amplifier Slotts:

Permatank: 219
Peaktank: 318

So eve thoug active Hardeners require some cap we still get more tank by using 2 thermal + 2 kinetik Hardeners than by using your loadout.


Your third big mistake is not using any rigs or drones. Train these skills asap and put either some Rigs for Shield tanking or some Capacitor Controll Circuits in there so you wont need the Cap Rechargers anymore and can go for either additional tank or some Target Painters, improving your damage against smaller targets. As for drones, you will need them to kill frigates. Tech 1 ones will do the job for L3 missions, for L4 you need Tech 2 Drones (Hobgoblin II and Warrior II)


The last mistake is the Co Processor I. You only fittet it because of wrong eft stats. Switch it to a Damage Control, the higher the metalevel the better, or even T2 asap.


In the end, your fitting should look like this (without rigs)





What to do next?

1. Train for basic Drones
2. Train for T2 Shieldhardeners
3. Train for T2 Shield Booster
4. Train for Rigs
5. Train for T2 Damage Mods
6. Train for basic Target Painters
7. Max out all your fitting and cap management skills:

- CPU Management => V
- Power Grid Management => V
- Capacitor management => IV
- Capacitor Systems Operations => V

8. Train for T2 Drones and get Level IV Drone Support Skills
9. Train for T2 Weapons

Stop telling newbies to fit CCC rigs on their ravens, it's bad.

OP, apart from the "raven for lvl 3 is a bit silly" you *really* want to fit rigor rigs because they help applying your dps especially to smaller targets (which lvl 3 is mostly full of).

Check this fit, it's a bit of silly raven fit because you're using it for a silly situation (lvl 3) but it'll work fine on low SP. It has T2 modules where I feel that any decently trained newbie Raven pilot should have them but apart from that named will work fine. Once you're ready for lvl 4s all you have to do is change the modules a bit to allow for more tank (shield booster size mostly) and you're done.


[Raven, lvl 3 low sp]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Warded Gravimetric Backup Cluster I

Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
Medium C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Shield Boost Amplifier I
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Cap Recharger II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Hobgoblin I x5

That fit tanks 250-300 dps to Guristas which is what he's doing and it's not a lvl 4 fit because the OP asked for lvl 3. 250 dps tank is more than enough, especially due to do the "overkill" dps a raven does for lvl 3 missions, while running rigors to actually make use of it.





WHAT?

Stop giving people bad advice, honestly.

No, that 250-300 number is based on me using a new character profile assuming some very basic fitting and cap skills, all lvl 5 it would tank 335. And why the FCK would you want to perma tank and cripple your fit? Why are you teaching newbies this terrible "must perma tank" crutch instead of showing them that with a bit of basic understanding and braincells he can do so much better? It's not like it's difficult to not be stable or newbies being zombies who aren't capable of basic brain functions.

And yes, lvl 4 fit would be similar, either replace the cap recharger with a cap booster or add a boost amp and simply deal with not being cap stable, it's not actually that difficult if you know how cap recharge really works. If an Abaddon can do lvl 4s with 6 mins of cap life while running lasers I'm sure a raven can do the same.


Like this;

[Raven, lvl 4 low SP]
F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Quantum Co-Processor I

Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Shield Boost Amplifier I
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Hammerhead I x5
Hobgoblin I x5

He doesn't need EFT for this, he can simply copy that fit and it'll work. Assuming basic skills that lvl 3 setup will tank for 12 minutes would he try to perma run it, which is silly and unneeded.

And then we get to this;





I think it's obvious to most now; you have no clue. That lvl 4 raven tanks some 40-50% MORE than the abaddon, not because it needs it but because shield tank is OP for PVE while the abaddon is fit for max dps, as it should be.

And yeah, good fits run cap boosters; news flash. Just as it makes sense to use faction ammo it makes sense to spend a TINY little bit of cash on cap boosters if that allows you to not have to use terrible cap rigs and thus apply a ton more dps.

And then run out of cap charges after 4 minutes. (srsly, they take a metric buttton of cargospace each)



I am not saying that a PvE Ship should be cap stable, hell most of my fits only have a cap booster because I like to use MWD with next to no tank.

But your fit will give him some serious problems.


Anyway, its ops decission not ours.

Well, thats the point, with barely over 400 DPS, how long dou you think it will take for you to finish a Gurista Extravaganza, Assault or any other Mission with more than 10 NPC?

And even when you use one charge every minute, you run out of charges after 20 minutes. The damage is simply to low.


Your fitting does 800 DPS with all V it works with a cap boost because of this. But as soon as I change the supportskills for missiles to Level 3 you end up with only 560 DPS. Do you think this is enough to kill NPC in time? How about we go for Meta 4 Launcher? 460 DPS. Is this still enough? Well, lets include reload, shall we? Oh boy, 300 DPS... Now that might become a problem, right?



Cap Booster fitts work because they are designed around fast, heavy hitting, ships that finish a mission before you run out of charges. The lower your DPS the longer it takes for you to finish a mission. Basicaly anything below 600DPS should think twice before going for a cap booster fitting, anything below 500 DPS will not work.

Then please write a little guide how to do so because I think that by just seeing your fitting the op had no idea about how you fly it.

I even would go so far and say, that the op has no idea how blitzing a mission realy works.



So please, when you come up with fancy fitts for fancy playstyles flown by fancy people explain it to the guy asking for a fitting. As far as I know most people cant read minds, let alone over hundreds or thousands of kilometers.