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CONCORD LP Store?

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#1 - 2011-11-28 14:39:10 UTC
Because, you know, Incursion runners simply aren't making enough ISK, so let's make them the only ones who qualify to buy customs office BPO's too, because poor them they need passive income as well QQ
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-11-28 14:41:52 UTC
Fail troll is fail.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#3 - 2011-11-28 14:44:21 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Fail troll is fail.


No you're right you can get them at FW LP stores too. Hands up who does FW?
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-11-28 15:15:36 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Fail troll is fail.


No you're right you can get them at FW LP stores too. Hands up who does FW?




Hey give Incursion runners a break. They work very hard for their Isk :)








I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-11-28 15:20:51 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Fail troll is fail.


No you're right you can get them at FW LP stores too. Hands up who does FW?




Hey give Incursion runners a break. They work very hard for their Isk :)



Actually

Fleet of ten people

getting intto good fleet : half an hour
having 100mil per hour : hour or two
moving to another incursion : hour

200mil per 4 hours equal 50 mil per hour... Not that great .. if you catch my drift

Same as you do some plex 10/10 loot worth 1.6 bil in one hour..

yet your true isk/hr income is somewhere at 100mil* considering number of accounts needed, time to moving the stuff and time to sell the stuff.

Anyway increase demand for incursions actually drops their income radically.. since more people competing for one site means lower isk/hr ratio..
Dirty Weegie
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-11-28 15:29:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Weegie
Actually

Fleet of ten people

getting intto good fleet : half an hour
having 100mil per hour : hour or two
moving to another incursion : hour

200mil per 4 hours equal 50 mil per hour... Not that great .. if you catch my drift

Same as you do some plex 10/10 loot worth 1.6 bil in one hour..

yet your true isk/hr income is somewhere at 100mil* considering number of accounts needed, time to moving the stuff and time to sell the stuff.

Anyway increase demand for incursions actually drops their income radically.. since more people competing for one site means lower isk/hr ratio..




Rubbish

So your saying you have to move incursion every 4 hours?

The incursion is up for roughly 6 days

Getting into fleet : half an hour
Earn 100mil per hour : Five or six hours
Repeat for 6 days
Moving to next incursion ; 1 hour
repeat.


500 mil for 6 hours its not unusual... if you know the right FC's Blink



EDIT: i seem to have arsed up the quote... time to lay off the drink i think

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-11-28 15:34:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
@ Dirtie Weggie

If some other group doesnt come along and does not close the incursion ..

Dont forget that part Cool

You dont like how much they make..

Make a fleet and start closing it.

Which ultimately means getting more people into it means less income ..
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-11-28 16:27:01 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
@ Dirtie Weggie

If some other group doesnt come along and does not close the incursion ..

Dont forget that part Cool

You dont like how much they make..

Make a fleet and start closing it.

Which ultimately means getting more people into it means less income ..


Pretty much this. Incursions are one of few highsec activities where your income can be cut off ENTIRELY by outside competition.

In a site, if there are two fleets contesting, the better fleet gets paid while the worse fleet gets nothing --> this means that when more people start running incursions, everyone, on average, makes slightly lower isk/hr, as there will be more fleets and therefore more contests. You can reduce the income of incursions simply by running them yourself. IIRC, only 5% of the highsec population runs incursions... Is it the fault of the incursion runners that there is barely any competition? No, not really.

Then, there's the possibility of "griefing" --> If you're cap transferring/repping someone who has aggro, you can now be killed by everyone who has aggro on that person. Sure, you get a warning, but many people blindly ignore them. Entire fleets have collapsed to this.

Then, there's the possibility that someone like Raver comes along with a fleet to hit the MOM sites and despawn the incursions, nerfing everyone else's isk/hr into zero until a new one spawns.

There seems to be an awful lot of people bitching and whining about something which can be countered so easily.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#9 - 2011-11-28 16:32:02 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Because, you know, Incursion runners simply aren't making enough ISK, so let's make them the only ones who qualify to buy customs office BPO's too, because poor them they need passive income as well QQ


Yea, and FW too... but still normal mission runners cant get them from there LP pool

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Tore Vest
#10 - 2011-11-28 16:37:05 UTC
An other " Nerf highsec incursion" thread Cool

No troll.

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#11 - 2011-11-28 16:52:19 UTC
Tore Vest wrote:
... " Nerf highsec incursion" ... Cool


This

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#12 - 2011-11-28 17:25:52 UTC
Geez, you guys never give up. Do you? Roll
Dai DIEDIEDIE
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-11-28 17:41:58 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
No you're right you can get them at FW LP stores too. Hands up who does FW?

Me, and I run Incursions too. P

FW is available to everybody who has the standings. If people want these BPOs then it's easy to get the LP running missions for FW agents.
Gavjack Bunk
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#14 - 2011-11-28 17:43:54 UTC
There is no limit to the amount of ISK that I would be prepared to throw at Incursion Runners. And no limit to the amount of protection from griefers I would grant them.

Can I have a job at CCP wiping babby bottoms now?
Blind Navigator
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-11-28 18:27:03 UTC
Lets see


Incursion Pimp Mobile: 1-3b (5b ones are not unheard of)...............100k ehp

10x Tornado arty t2 fit: 750m.....................................................................11k alpha x10 = 110k

13 seconds for another volley before concord shows up.

11k alpha x 10 for another explosion.

Stop being envious that nearby farmer has a fat milk cow. Shoot the farmer, milk the cow, kill it and get beef
We are playing eve here.