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How does someone even get into your mission to kill you?

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Aswald McSmith
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-02-28 22:51:31 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Answer to your question: they used combat probes. Nothing in Eve is instanced, and anyone can be found given enough effort.

1) Free jump clones without needing standings: Estel Arador Corp Services https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=8574

2) Hit the Sisters of Eve epic arc to get a boost in standings. Go to Arnon IX and talk to Sister Alitura to get started.

3) There are ways to make yourself harder to scan: use a smaller ship, or fit ECCM. Neither of them help you much, though, since you remain very much scannable.

4) If you find something boring, don't do it. Grinding missions drove me nuts. I quit it after my first few hours in Eve, and never looked back. Find a group of players who does something you want to do, join them, and have them show you the ropes. There is almost no area of the game where having an extra go-getter novice around is a bad thing.

5) What to do in Eve: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ Note there is a lot of stuff that is not missions.


1) I'll look into that, thank you. Anything to get out into the rest of the game faster.
2) Already done it.
3) So I'm told. Sounding like the best solution is learn D-Scan and GTFO when it looks like a storms coming, so to speak
4) I'll be looking for a corp was I move (in a couple weeks, moving back home), I know this is the biggest thing holding me back in the game at this point.
5) I'll check it out. I've been training for a variety of things (have an alt from the buddy program I'm working on using as an Industrial character)

Thanks for you help!
Aswald McSmith
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-02-28 22:54:28 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Aswald McSmith wrote:
I have every intention of joining a corp as soon as I'm able but RL makes that impractical at the moment, so I've had to do what I am able to for the time being, you would suggest I not even play the game? You're very welcoming. Not sure where boars comes into play here, this isn't WoW. I already said why I was grinding missions, for ISK and Standing, two things I've seen it generally assumed around here have to be done, unless you figure everyone should buy ISK and if you can't join a corp yet, again, what else are you to do? How can one ask a question here (as I've just done) about something like being probed out in a mission and D-Scan when to this point there hasn't been anything in game to point a player in that direction? So, while you come off quite snarky, I thank you for your input.

I know a little secret about getting around standing requirements, another little secret about making a hundred million ISK per hour, and a lot of other little secrets that come to mind when a corp member needs them. Join a corp and maybe they'll share their little secrets with you.

Also, making assumptions is bad:

  • You do not have to grind standings to do most things.
  • You do not have to grind ISK. Do the right stuff and it grows on trees.
  • You do not have to buy ISK. In fact, doing that will get you banned. Buy PLEX from CCP and sell them in-game instead.
  • Corps do accept new players, even those who don't have much time to play. Talk to people.


People are being snarky at you because your first post came off as entitled, ragey, and emanating bad attitude. You should probably keep that in check in future posts, if you want people to be nice to you.


Noted. I can see where my post came off that way. I intended frustration to come through, but nothing more. Looking for help and suggestions as much as anything and I'm getting that in spades and I think that's fantastic!
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#23 - 2014-02-28 23:50:47 UTC
Aswald McSmith wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Probes, they scan you down. You are in deep space, not in a parallel area, people can still find you and gank you or steal your loot.


Hrm, I was unaware of this. Thanks for the input. Is there any way to make yourself less detectable in that case?


Smaller ships are harder to scan down, as are ships with fewer +shield HP modules.

Signature Radius is the number that determine how long your ship takes to scan down (as well as how had it is to hit when moving, and how long it takes to get a target lock on you). Lower is better.

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Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#24 - 2014-03-01 03:04:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Miriya Zakalwe
Aswald McSmith wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Aswald McSmith wrote:
I have every intention of joining a corp as soon as I'm able but RL makes that impractical at the moment, so I've had to do what I am able to for the time being, you would suggest I not even play the game? You're very welcoming. Not sure where boars comes into play here, this isn't WoW. I already said why I was grinding missions, for ISK and Standing, two things I've seen it generally assumed around here have to be done, unless you figure everyone should buy ISK and if you can't join a corp yet, again, what else are you to do? How can one ask a question here (as I've just done) about something like being probed out in a mission and D-Scan when to this point there hasn't been anything in game to point a player in that direction? So, while you come off quite snarky, I thank you for your input.

I know a little secret about getting around standing requirements, another little secret about making a hundred million ISK per hour, and a lot of other little secrets that come to mind when a corp member needs them. Join a corp and maybe they'll share their little secrets with you.

Also, making assumptions is bad:

  • You do not have to grind standings to do most things.
  • You do not have to grind ISK. Do the right stuff and it grows on trees.
  • You do not have to buy ISK. In fact, doing that will get you banned. Buy PLEX from CCP and sell them in-game instead.
  • Corps do accept new players, even those who don't have much time to play. Talk to people.


People are being snarky at you because your first post came off as entitled, ragey, and emanating bad attitude. You should probably keep that in check in future posts, if you want people to be nice to you.


Noted. I can see where my post came off that way. I intended frustration to come through, but nothing more. Looking for help and suggestions as much as anything and I'm getting that in spades and I think that's fantastic!



IJWTS I like the way you're responding to good advice. It's refreshing.

A few people have mentioned it, but I'll reiterate: stay away from lowsec until you know what you are doing. It's more or less constant PvP. You opted in by going there (even if you had disabled the warning). It's not as dangerous as its reputation (many of us live there after all) but you will generally be exploding there eventually.

Most of us that play there don't kill new players preferentially. I've done it accidentally and felt bad, and send ISK when it happens. Usually you don't find out until after the fact when looking at your killmail, though that's not always true, especially of better PvPers.

IF someone kills you in lowsec, start a conversation with them. Nine times out of ten they will be happy to talk to you and explain what happened and why. If they find out you're super new many will send a few million ISK.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-03-01 03:39:30 UTC
Thanks for the tears.

now;

1. EVE is a harsh PVP game.
2. The above makes it not for everyone.
3. Dont fly what you cant afford to lose.
4 Failing to follow rule 3 is only your own fault, not the other players nor the game.
5. No place is safe, if you want risk free PvE...pick another MMO as EVE wont supply your with risk free stuff.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-03-01 03:42:26 UTC
So...

You lost a ship in lowsec. Which has a big pop up warning you.

You lost stuff because you werent paying attention...whos fault iz it for YOU not paying attention

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School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-03-01 03:49:25 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

People are being snarky at you because your first post came off as entitled, ragey, and emanating bad attitude. You should probably keep that in check in future posts, if you want people to be nice to you.


To bad first impressions are a one time thing and havd no replay button on them.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#28 - 2014-03-01 03:54:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Aswald McSmith wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
2) Hit the Sisters of Eve epic arc to get a boost in standings. Go to Arnon IX and talk to Sister Alitura to get started.

2) Already done it.
You can repeat it every 3 months for the same substantial boost in standings, make sure you team up with the faction you want the boost to for Dagan. You should also look at the connections skill if you haven't already, the boosts it gives speeds the grind up quite nicely.

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Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#29 - 2014-03-01 03:58:00 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Aswald McSmith wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
2) Hit the Sisters of Eve epic arc to get a boost in standings. Go to Arnon IX and talk to Sister Alitura to get started.

2) Already done it.
You can repeat it every 3 months for the same substantial boost in standings, make sure you team up with the faction you want the boost to for Dagan. You should also look at the connections skill if you haven't already, the boosts it gives speeds the grind up quite nicely.


Plus Social and Security Connections as well.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#30 - 2014-03-01 04:02:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
^^ Good point.

Missioning in highsec is considerably safer, in lowsec you're automatically a target. The safety set to green will prevent 99% of all accidental mishaps in highsec, it won't let you do anything that will gain a shoot at me status except engage in a duel and shoot at a legitimate target like a suspect or criminal.

If you like the risks of missioning in low sec, next time you die, speak to your killer. Most will be happy to advise you on fits and where you went wrong. If you're in one area regularly, get to know the locals.

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-03-01 04:54:10 UTC
The best bit of advice in this thread was to join a corp. You don't need experience, skill points or lots of time to join a good corp. Just a good attitude.
The worst advice in the thread was to stay out of low sec. The best way to learn how to keep from being caught by the hunters is to spend some time as one. Move to low sec. Join a corp out there. Then its friendly space...mostly.

Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#32 - 2014-03-01 05:11:29 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
The best bit of advice in this thread was to join a corp. You don't need experience, skill points or lots of time to join a good corp. Just a good attitude.
The worst advice in the thread was to stay out of low sec. The best way to learn how to keep from being caught by the hunters is to spend some time as one. Move to low sec. Join a corp out there. Then its friendly space...mostly.



Fair enough, though I did say until he knows what he is getting in to, not permanently :)

Jared Lennox
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-03-01 22:47:57 UTC
There is no "PvE Area" in this game. It answers all your questions. -Moving on

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-03-01 23:33:08 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
^^ Good point.

Missioning in highsec is considerably safer, in lowsec you're automatically a target. The safety set to green will prevent 99% of all accidental mishaps in highsec, it won't let you do anything that will gain a shoot at me status except engage in a duel and shoot at a legitimate target like a suspect or criminal..


And you can even turn on auto reject on duel invites...Which makes it 100% manageable to what timers you do and don't gain.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#35 - 2014-03-01 23:46:41 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

People are being snarky at you because your first post came off as entitled, ragey, and emanating bad attitude. You should probably keep that in check in future posts, if you want people to be nice to you.


To bad first impressions are a one time thing and havd no replay button on them.

*Too *have P

Sometimes people don't realize how they appear, and are then confused at the negative reaction. Especially in NC Q&A, where newbies are not aware of what pushes bittervets' buttons, I try to be more lenient. You should have seen my reaction to the guy who posted something similar to this thread in Assembly Hall. There was much "HTFU" involved.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-03-02 00:19:08 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

People are being snarky at you because your first post came off as entitled, ragey, and emanating bad attitude. You should probably keep that in check in future posts, if you want people to be nice to you.


To bad first impressions are a one time thing and havd no replay button on them.

*Too *have P

Sometimes people don't realize how they appear, and are then confused at the negative reaction. Especially in NC Q&A, where newbies are not aware of what pushes bittervets' buttons, I try to be more lenient. You should have seen my reaction to the guy who posted something similar to this thread in Assembly Hall. There was much "HTFU" involved.


Don't blame me...I was freaking tired after 2 x 18h workdays and typing on my cellphone.

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Helena Heffalump
#37 - 2014-03-02 11:08:38 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Probes, they scan you down. You are in deep space, not in a parallel area, people can still find you and gank you or steal your loot.


hijacking for a moment, will dscan always show probes before you get warped into by someone? like, can they scan the misison gate in advance before you arrive?

also what about missions that require a key? are they safe?
Hanz Riemannder
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-03-02 11:49:53 UTC
To the OP, I'll throw in my experience from the other side.

As to why people do what they do ingame, there is absolutely no use in arguing about it. It's a videogme, what people do ingame does not reflect their behaviour or ethics out of the game.

Now on the invading of missions, you were giving a lot of detailed information already how it is possible.

How shoud you handle being invaded?

Insulting or talking smack is no use.
Either engage the ninja, or try to annoy him back. Shooting the wrecks before they can be looted is always a good ninja-killer.
Stop missioning and leave the plex. Try to dump the aggro on the pirate (less effective).

Helena Heffalump wrote:

hijacking for a moment, will dscan always show probes before you get warped into by someone? like, can they scan the misison gate in advance before you arrive?

also what about missions that require a key? are they safe?


Depends on when you hit the scan button, but you should put the probes on your overview. Much easier, If you suddenly see a list of probes pop up, chances are good you are about to be invaded. Simply leave the plex / gate for a couple of minutes.
Very annoying as a ninja to suddenly loose the signature you're probng down.

Missions and keys, no idea.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#39 - 2014-03-02 12:49:26 UTC
Helena Heffalump wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Probes, they scan you down. You are in deep space, not in a parallel area, people can still find you and gank you or steal your loot.


hijacking for a moment, will dscan always show probes before you get warped into by someone? like, can they scan the misison gate in advance before you arrive?

also what about missions that require a key? are they safe?


You cannot probe an acceleration gate, only the ship in the mission. If I probe you down and you are 3 rooms deep in the mission, I will only be able to warp to the first gate, so you will see my ship on close range dscan before I arrive. If an acceleration gate requires a key to use, nobody can follow you through without that key.

Dscan will always show probes (assuming that you have them on your overview and they are within the dscan range you have selected). However, people who are really good at probing ships down in hostile space can triangulate your position with dscan, then drop probes right on you, scan and get rid of them, so that they only appear on dscan for 5 seconds or so. If you are in space in low or null, it is best to get used to spamming that dscan button every few seconds when there are other people in local (same in wormholes anytime you aren't behind POS shields).

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#40 - 2014-03-02 14:04:36 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Aswald McSmith wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Probes, they scan you down. You are in deep space, not in a parallel area, people can still find you and gank you or steal your loot.


Hrm, I was unaware of this. Thanks for the input. Is there any way to make yourself less detectable in that case?


there is a new deployable structure that 'cloaks' you from d-scan. But they can just probe this structure out. Your only two options in LS doing missions is to attach a cloak to your ship and cloak up if someone comes into local, or use the directional scan and watch for probes. if you see probes warp out and come back to your mission a little later when its clear.


yes there are ships and fittings that can make you less probable. At one point, you could craft a ship to be unprobable, but as i recall ccp changed this. Nonetheless, it is still possible to make a ship very difficult to probe. Ofc these ships and fittings are likely not available to you as a new player. Also these are specialized fits that sacrifice a lot of utility to become difficult to probe, so its not something that most typical new players are going to want to do in any event. Just keep hitting your dscan periodically and if you see probes while running missions in low/null - gtfo or cloak.
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