Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I was just thinking wouldn't it be cool to have a module that works kind of like a taunt does in JRPG's but that works on players.

"For clarification a taunt in JRPG's works by getting you all the aggression from NPC's"

Now If i were to leave it there I would say it would be OP, but if you only gave it a chance per ship on field in a certain range I think it wouldn't be OP at all although it would be powerful depending on the numbers you decided on for range of effect and chance of capturing the lock and making them drop all the rest of there locks and also maybe slow down the acquisition of new locks.

Also if you gave it some other side effects like blowing your signature radius worse than an MWD and maybe a massive cap usage.

You could in fleet fights basically get one guy with high resists and a big buffer to tank a majority of the DPS and constantly rep him, so that ships with weaker tanks don't get insta blaped

Ah yeah and it shouldn't work on your own fleet. Now if people could calmly and politely explain why its a bad idea that would be great.

yeah but not if your the tankest boat on the field, for example you could put it on a titan :D.

You could also have ship restrictions on it however.

You know other people from other corps can join your fleet right and also considering I did state that it would have range limitations, allies would only need to keep range and also considering you were saying it would be OP wouldn't that be working in its favour for not being OP considering it would add a degree of difficulty.

also depending on the numbers you pick and also if its over a certain number the chance of it being successful could go down in a curb.

So it would more like partial damage interception I haven't even stated the numbers so you can't say that its overpowered. for example if it was a 5% chance per ship the damage interception is going to be negligible even if you use multiples because 2 of them wouldn't make 10% damage interception that just not how probability works. Never mind the rest of the stats which could either increase or decrease its effectiveness.

Also Links work thought fleets so you could just have the "resonance frequency" sent between the fleet. or some such fake techno-bable

Also you could scrap the range and just make it have to be on grid and be a booster kind of thing.

Oh and you forgot lock beakers, ECM, damps and to a certain extent tracking disrupter's and nuets.... Yeah it doesn't seem like there is any precendence for you not being able to target / hit want you want when you want.

I included nuets because if your guns use cap you aint shooting... I mean that would have no effect...

Seriously though in big fleet fights most EW except for damps and lock breakers becomes basically useless and lock breakers are only useful really for getting away. It would be nice to fill that hole with something that would add an extra dimension to I bring more numbers there for I win.

...Are you r*****ed, Wouldn't hitting something be better than doing nothing at all... And you know you don't have to fire right?

AGAIN you don't have to shoot, when did i say you had to.

Second I said that it would have a chance per ship just like ECM but you could make that as low or high as you like.

And also I said in a latter comment it should probably have ship limitations because as I said you could just put it on a few Titans and then your f***ed.

Read and think before replying, every single one of your picks have already been dealt with or just took common sense to figure out how they could be fixed.

Also I didn't add that the reactivation delay should be longer than the effect its self. so that even by chance if it got the everyone in its area of effect multiple times there would be small or larger gaps depending on the reactivation delay.

This is not the forum where we have to convince you the idea is bad.
This is the forum where you come in order to try and convince people that you idea is worthy of being included in the game.

A: This module either functions on standings of allies, a mechanic not implemented at all, where you would have massive issues with fleets that are not blue to each other but working together, or it's not working on standings, in which case it would aggro everyone on the field, including your own fleet.

B: If it's used in lowsec, how does it choose whom to grab? I cannot be used in FW unless it magically avoids all other allied militia members, or the first person who uses it in a militia fight goes from good standings to KoS for an entire faction in an instant.

C: If I can strap it on Titans, carriers, dreads, or supers, then I can use bait capitals to split the enemy fleet across dozens or hundreds of capitals that won't be dying.

If I can strap it on BS or lower, I can force a massive stalemate at any point by having everyone burst the module to spasm locks of the entire enemy fleet across hundreds of targets. Even with just a 1% chance to grab any particular person.

Module reactivation time is pointless. Always examine to see how it can be abused in the worst possible instance. AOE DD titans were not nerfed because having one was OP, they were nerfed because dropping 10 of them down was insanely powerful at once, allowing repeated nuking of entire subcapital fleets.

And frankly, you didn't answer a single question, just reaffirmed that of course the idea was fine and the solutions were "Common sense" Show me. Explain why your idea is good, why we should implement it. Say how it's going to avoid being broken at the micro and macro level, and the restrictions, timers, etc on who can use it, who it can effect, where it can be used.

I don't know where people get that Ewar and RR pull a ton of agro. I have seen it work on occasion, and for the most part my drones still get eaten on a regular basis no matter how careful I am. I had to stop bringing RL friends just starting the game into my missions until they had developed good tank skills and battleships because they could not stay alive in anything smaller when agro switched.

The AI change was needed, but it was very, very poorly implemented. They should never have done it if they didn't want to give tools for dealing with it as well. It's one thing to make everyone fit to deal with the environment, not just the prey PvEer, and quite another to pretty much just randomize agro and call it it AI.

There are plenty of ways that could be used to deal with NPC AI that would not dumb the game back down or be free of sacrifice besides a simple taunt mechanic, but something should be done.

No I wasn't offended by your criticism as I said your criticisms had already been dealt with or was just plain obvious as to how to fix it. I'm not against criticism. I am against pointless and stupid criticism.



Already answered that question but I'll type it hear just for you again, well first of all if your using that module which would be relatively powerful in large fleet fights you would organize around it. for example as I already said it has a range of effect the people your working with would only have to keep out of its area of effect.

This actually would count for it because it would make it more difficult to use and as It is a powerful module it should be difficult to use it. Also you already have all the names of people in the fleet all you would have to do to implement it would be to take the names from in fleets and not make them valid targets.



You really like making me repeat my self don't you... I already said to you directly that it should have ship limitations... Could we make the next one something that I havent answered already.



already answered but I have something to add Probability doesn't work like you seem to think it works even if you could activate 1 within anothers area of effect 20 at 1% chance per ship would not = 20% chance of jamming a ship the probability increases but not by 1% per ship with the module. at the 10 mark you get demising returns as each one adds less and less probability. But you could simply had a limit of how many can be active within a certain distance. Also making it so that you would have to jimp your fit eg. removing the guns because you don't want to lose tanking ability.



Then I suggest you start reading the hole thread because every single one of these answers was already given excluding an limited number allowed to be active within a certain range of one and other. I made the effort to carefully read your post and everyone else posts.

So if you could do me the courtesy of at least reading all of my posts on this thread before making a pointless critic again that would be nice.

hell no

if u want to draw aggro, fly a falcon. u want tank, fit a shield tanked falcon.

u want aggro in a mission, scram and web ur buddy.