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How does someone even get into your mission to kill you?

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Aswald McSmith
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-02-28 20:47:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Aswald McSmith
As the subject says. I don't get it, it's BS. At first I think it's some random boss spawn (I've seen random spawns mentioned in missions guides online) only to find out going through my character sheet it was a player. That makes absolutely no sense. Allow players to come into others missions just to blow up a ship they just spent an hour flying around and putting together for a few hundred thousand ISK?

I've lost ships not paying attention or getting in over my head in PvE and even to a few players out exploring but for something like this is nuts and really pushed me to the point of "What's the point?" I've been grinding Standing for weeks just to get access to Jump Clones so I can travel around faster and it's mind-numbingly slow.

Is the point to just stick to L1 missions for paltry levels of ISK for a year while staying in carebear space? As soon as you move into a ship capable of L2's you're suddenly a target worth taking out...along with a huge investment. If I hadn't done the buddy thing there's no way I could've had enough ISK to move into L2s without months of grinding.

I'm seriously questioning if I should even log back in again or just move on....300 hrs in the past month trying to learn this game and it's always one step forward, two steps back.

Edit: Not altering original post to preserve context of following replies.

It was pointed out to me my original post doesn't come off very well at all, and I apologize to the community for that, I intend only frustration to come through here, nothing more, so please don't read more into it than necessary. I've gotten a wonderful amount of feedback below and I'm very appreciative. For any other new players reading this, I don't want you to get discouraged reading this as I know certain attitudes can be infectious or give the wrong impression and the last thing I want is that. I simply had a less than fun in-game experience as a result of not knowing a couple things. That being said, I hope someone new reading this learns something from my mistake and the advice below.

Regards,

McSmith
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#2 - 2014-02-28 20:48:22 UTC
Probes, they scan you down. You are in deep space, not in a parallel area, people can still find you and gank you or steal your loot.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#3 - 2014-02-28 20:50:26 UTC
Aswald McSmith wrote:
As the subject says. I don't get it, it's BS. At first I think it's some random boss spawn (I've seen random spawns mentioned in missions guides online) only to find out going through my character sheet it was a player. That makes absolutely no sense. Allow players to come into others missions just to blow up a ship they just spent an hour flying around and putting together for a few hundred thousand ISK?

I've lost ships not paying attention or getting in over my head in PvE and even to a few players out exploring but for something like this is nuts and really pushed me to the point of "What's the point?" I've been grinding Standing for weeks just to get access to Jump Clones so I can travel around faster and it's mind-numbingly slow.

Is the point to just stick to L1 missions for paltry levels of ISK for a year while staying in carebear space? As soon as you move into a ship capable of L2's you're suddenly a target worth taking out...along with a huge investment. If I hadn't done the buddy thing there's no way I could've had enough ISK to move into L2s without months of grinding.

I'm seriously questioning if I should even log back in again or just move on....300 hrs in the past month trying to learn this game and it's always one step forward, two steps back.


And you are proving the point. ^^^ is he point. They want you to shead carebear tears because they find that form of game play fun. They want to hunt people down and kill them. Welcome to eve, the world is dark and full of terrors, not even the lord of light can save you.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-02-28 20:59:56 UTC
Also, you got blown up in low-sec. You get a warning popup that you have to accept before ending up there.
When EVE says "This is extremely dangerous and Concord police cannot guarantee your safety there." it means it.

If you get blown up in EVE it's almost always because a) you did something stupid or b) you took a calculated risk and it didn't work out. If you stay in high-sec in a cheap Vexor, it's highly unlikely that someone will kill you. Or, well, it was highly unlikely until you came here to complain - now someone might kill you just for more tears.
Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-02-28 21:53:06 UTC
Aswald McSmith wrote:

Is the point to just stick to L1 missions for paltry levels of ISK for a year while staying in carebear space? As soon as you move into a ship capable of L2's you're suddenly a target worth taking out...along with a huge investment. If I hadn't done the buddy thing there's no way I could've had enough ISK to move into L2s without months of grinding.


just going to point this out, you're doing something wrong. I was able to do L4's within 1.5 months of starting.

Was doing L2's shortly after I did the SoE epic arc.
Aswald McSmith
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-02-28 22:17:09 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Probes, they scan you down. You are in deep space, not in a parallel area, people can still find you and gank you or steal your loot.


Hrm, I was unaware of this. Thanks for the input. Is there any way to make yourself less detectable in that case?
Aswald McSmith
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-02-28 22:19:42 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Aswald McSmith wrote:
As the subject says. I don't get it, it's BS. At first I think it's some random boss spawn (I've seen random spawns mentioned in missions guides online) only to find out going through my character sheet it was a player. That makes absolutely no sense. Allow players to come into others missions just to blow up a ship they just spent an hour flying around and putting together for a few hundred thousand ISK?

I've lost ships not paying attention or getting in over my head in PvE and even to a few players out exploring but for something like this is nuts and really pushed me to the point of "What's the point?" I've been grinding Standing for weeks just to get access to Jump Clones so I can travel around faster and it's mind-numbingly slow.

Is the point to just stick to L1 missions for paltry levels of ISK for a year while staying in carebear space? As soon as you move into a ship capable of L2's you're suddenly a target worth taking out...along with a huge investment. If I hadn't done the buddy thing there's no way I could've had enough ISK to move into L2s without months of grinding.

I'm seriously questioning if I should even log back in again or just move on....300 hrs in the past month trying to learn this game and it's always one step forward, two steps back.


And you are proving the point. ^^^ is he point. They want you to shead carebear tears because they find that form of game play fun. They want to hunt people down and kill them. Welcome to eve, the world is dark and full of terrors, not even the lord of light can save you.


Aye, I've been aware of that point, it's the shock and subsequent anger that happening the way it did. Until this point I wasn't aware you could be scanned down this way. They can have their solitary tear. It's the last they'll get! Cool (why isn't there a crying emoticon? Am I overlooking it?)
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#8 - 2014-02-28 22:20:03 UTC
Aswald McSmith wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Probes, they scan you down. You are in deep space, not in a parallel area, people can still find you and gank you or steal your loot.


Hrm, I was unaware of this. Thanks for the input. Is there any way to make yourself less detectable in that case?


there is a new deployable structure that 'cloaks' you from d-scan. But they can just probe this structure out. Your only two options in LS doing missions is to attach a cloak to your ship and cloak up if someone comes into local, or use the directional scan and watch for probes. if you see probes warp out and come back to your mission a little later when its clear.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Aswald McSmith
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-02-28 22:22:14 UTC
Leoric Firesword wrote:
Aswald McSmith wrote:

Is the point to just stick to L1 missions for paltry levels of ISK for a year while staying in carebear space? As soon as you move into a ship capable of L2's you're suddenly a target worth taking out...along with a huge investment. If I hadn't done the buddy thing there's no way I could've had enough ISK to move into L2s without months of grinding.


just going to point this out, you're doing something wrong. I was able to do L4's within 1.5 months of starting.

Was doing L2's shortly after I did the SoE epic arc.


What I'm probably doing wrong is having not already trained into battlecruisers and beyond (trained into battlecruisers overnight to get ready for L3's) while instead stayed in L1's for so long trying to grind ISK. I moved into L2's after doing the SoE Arc as well but stayed in a Catalyst for too long, lost a few and thus any ISK I'd earned really to that point.
Aswald McSmith
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-02-28 22:23:51 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Aswald McSmith wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Probes, they scan you down. You are in deep space, not in a parallel area, people can still find you and gank you or steal your loot.


Hrm, I was unaware of this. Thanks for the input. Is there any way to make yourself less detectable in that case?


there is a new deployable structure that 'cloaks' you from d-scan. But they can just probe this structure out. Your only two options in LS doing missions is to attach a cloak to your ship and cloak up if someone comes into local, or use the directional scan and watch for probes. if you see probes warp out and come back to your mission a little later when its clear.



I guess it's time I finally learn about D-Scan (assuming that's the Directional Scan next to the Probe tab) and set up my Overview better. Thanks for the tip, I appreciate it.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#11 - 2014-02-28 22:25:45 UTC
Aswald McSmith wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Probes, they scan you down. You are in deep space, not in a parallel area, people can still find you and gank you or steal your loot.


Hrm, I was unaware of this. Thanks for the input. Is there any way to make yourself less detectable in that case?

Well, stay out of lowsec until until you've learned how?

Or go lowsec on purpose and learn the ropes?

It will take losses, cognitive analysis and learning some skills, but not the skills that your character learns, the ones that you have to learn behind the keyboard.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Aswald McSmith
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-02-28 22:26:33 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
Also, you got blown up in low-sec. You get a warning popup that you have to accept before ending up there.
When EVE says "This is extremely dangerous and Concord police cannot guarantee your safety there." it means it.

If you get blown up in EVE it's almost always because a) you did something stupid or b) you took a calculated risk and it didn't work out. If you stay in high-sec in a cheap Vexor, it's highly unlikely that someone will kill you. Or, well, it was highly unlikely until you came here to complain - now someone might kill you just for more tears.


Yeah, I was in 0.4 I think, didn't notice until after you pointed that out. Thinking I may have checked one of those boxes about not showing this warning again that I see from time to time so didn't pay attention. Just saw there were two L2 agents in the same base for faster mission grinding and got all Christmas-eyed wanting to open presents.
Aswald McSmith
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-02-28 22:27:41 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
Aswald McSmith wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Probes, they scan you down. You are in deep space, not in a parallel area, people can still find you and gank you or steal your loot.


Hrm, I was unaware of this. Thanks for the input. Is there any way to make yourself less detectable in that case?

Well, stay out of lowsec until until you've learned how?

Or go lowsec on purpose and learn the ropes?

It will take losses, cognitive analysis and learning some skills, but not the skills that your character learns, the ones that you have to learn behind the keyboard.


I did just buy a new keyboard...I'll have to have a little chat with it about the skills it's supposed to be learning j/k. Thanks bro!
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#14 - 2014-02-28 22:30:07 UTC
What would smart player do would be joining corp that runs missions and use them to share standings with you so you would have access to L4 agents when you train up for it. That would take care of grind for standings and clones too.

What would good corp do would be taking you with them into their L4s and let you kill frigs and destroyer rats while they shoot bigger stuff. They would also let you salvage and loot all wrecks they produce. That would take care of you getting to know how L4s look like, how to do them properly and your wallet would be fat pretty quick.

All of this you could learn either by asking here or searching. But no, you had to grind like in every other game because the more boars you kill the better you are. And then you get exploded in a mission completely oblivious to probes on dscan and people warping to you and game mechanics.

You spent 300 hours being an ignorant not learning how game works.
And yes, you should really think about logging in ever again.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#15 - 2014-02-28 22:42:13 UTC
Answer to your question: they used combat probes. Nothing in Eve is instanced, and anyone can be found given enough effort.

1) Free jump clones without needing standings: Estel Arador Corp Services https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=8574

2) Hit the Sisters of Eve epic arc to get a boost in standings. Go to Arnon IX and talk to Sister Alitura to get started.

3) There are ways to make yourself harder to scan: use a smaller ship, or fit ECCM. Neither of them help you much, though, since you remain very much scannable.

4) If you find something boring, don't do it. Grinding missions drove me nuts. I quit it after my first few hours in Eve, and never looked back. Find a group of players who does something you want to do, join them, and have them show you the ropes. There is almost no area of the game where having an extra go-getter novice around is a bad thing.

5) What to do in Eve: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ Note there is a lot of stuff that is not missions.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Gyromite
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
#16 - 2014-02-28 22:42:27 UTC
Whoever scans down level 2's is a real loser.
Aswald McSmith
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-02-28 22:43:56 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
What would smart player do would be joining corp that runs missions and use them to share standings with you so you would have access to L4 agents when you train up for it. That would take care of grind for standings and clones too.

What would good corp do would be taking you with them into their L4s and let you kill frigs and destroyer rats while they shoot bigger stuff. They would also let you salvage and loot all wrecks they produce. That would take care of you getting to know how L4s look like, how to do them properly and your wallet would be fat pretty quick.

All of this you could learn either by asking here or searching. But no, you had to grind like in every other game because the more boars you kill the better you are. And then you get exploded in a mission completely oblivious to probes on dscan and people warping to you and game mechanics.

You spent 300 hours being an ignorant not learning how game works.
And yes, you should really think about logging in ever again.


I have every intention of joining a corp as soon as I'm able but RL makes that impractical at the moment, so I've had to do what I am able to for the time being, you would suggest I not even play the game? You're very welcoming. Not sure where boars comes into play here, this isn't WoW. I already said why I was grinding missions, for ISK and Standing, two things I've seen it generally assumed around here have to be done, unless you figure everyone should buy ISK and if you can't join a corp yet, again, what else are you to do? How can one ask a question here (as I've just done) about something like being probed out in a mission and D-Scan when to this point there hasn't been anything in game to point a player in that direction? So, while you come off quite snarky, I thank you for your input.
Aswald McSmith
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-02-28 22:46:34 UTC
Gyromite wrote:
Whoever scans down level 2's is a real loser.


To each their own. Not something I think I'd worry about doing but different strokes ya know. I'd rather find a way to help someone out who's obviously a noob than try to ruin their fun. Some people like taking candy from babies.
Tran Tuyen
Amadio Family Enterprises
#19 - 2014-02-28 22:47:34 UTC
To summarize what's been said so far: you can be scanned down in a mission pocket with combat scan probes. This can happen in highsec as well, but since you were in a .4 system, they were able to engage you without CONCORD intervention (in high-tech he would have had to goad you into shooting first.

Before you ask why he did it, he did it because it's fun to blow up spaceships and you were there to be blown up. Raging about it is cathartic (though I wouldn't recommend doing it here), but it won't prevent it from happening again. So here's some ideas on how to prevent it in the future:

1. Don't do L2s in lowsec. This is the most boring answer, but the truth is the additional payout probably isn't worth the risk. There's good money to be made in low, but L2 mission running probably isn't it. If you have a highsec mission agent who keeps sending you into low, you might want to find a new one.

2. If you do go into low to run missions, practice basic lowsec safety. Don't bring your primary money-making ship in unless you can absorb the loss (financially and emotionally) and you know what you're doing. While you're in a mission, make use of the Intel you have available; watch local and your D-scan. If "CareBearHunter69" shows up in local, be wary. If you see combat scan probes on d-scan, it's time to go. This goes for other lowsec activity as well; if you're exploring or plexing, you live and die by your d-scan too.

3. When it all goes to poo (and it will), you can still save your pod. When you're in structure and you know the fight is lost, pick a celestial on your overview and start spamming warp. You should warp off instantly when your pod rejects, before you can be scrambled. Don't try to use the right-click menu for this; you'll fumble and die. If you have an aggression timer, keep bouncing off celestials until you can dock or jump. Throw a "gf" in local even if it wasn't; it'll help you remember it's a game.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#20 - 2014-02-28 22:51:15 UTC
Aswald McSmith wrote:
I have every intention of joining a corp as soon as I'm able but RL makes that impractical at the moment, so I've had to do what I am able to for the time being, you would suggest I not even play the game? You're very welcoming. Not sure where boars comes into play here, this isn't WoW. I already said why I was grinding missions, for ISK and Standing, two things I've seen it generally assumed around here have to be done, unless you figure everyone should buy ISK and if you can't join a corp yet, again, what else are you to do? How can one ask a question here (as I've just done) about something like being probed out in a mission and D-Scan when to this point there hasn't been anything in game to point a player in that direction? So, while you come off quite snarky, I thank you for your input.

I know a little secret about getting around standing requirements, another little secret about making a hundred million ISK per hour, and a lot of other little secrets that come to mind when a corp member needs them. Join a corp and maybe they'll share their little secrets with you.

Also, making assumptions is bad:

  • You do not have to grind standings to do most things.
  • You do not have to grind ISK. Do the right stuff and it grows on trees.
  • You do not have to buy ISK. In fact, doing that will get you banned. Buy PLEX from CCP and sell them in-game instead.
  • Corps do accept new players, even those who don't have much time to play. Talk to people.


People are being snarky at you because your first post came off as entitled, ragey, and emanating bad attitude. You should probably keep that in check in future posts, if you want people to be nice to you.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

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