EVE General Discussion

When Retribution 1.1 was released, players were finally given an official method of hi-sec dueling in lieu of of can flipping. The banner given to dueling by CCP was "A proper 1 on 1 for the modern pilot." The idea of dueling is not to eliminate risk of losing your ship or even your pod, but to create an avenue for players to be able to choose their engagements and to know what they kind of fight they are getting into, which would be a nice alternative to engagements in low or null sec space where you may be tricked into thinking you have a fair engagement only to have a fleet warp in on you.

******My example was based on a bug, not the norm. I apologize for that misunderstanding******
Problem #1: Contrary to the advertised premise of an "honorable duel" between two (or more if multiple simultaneous duels are accepted) pilots, players may bring in assistance via logistical support and thus destroying any chance of a fair fight and they can use logistical support both without agreement from the other dueling pilot(s) OR retaliation! Any retaliation against any ships providing logistical support would actually result in CONCORD intervention!

An example of how current mechanics allow for completely unfair combat: I undock in a frigate from Jita and have a pilot (also in a frigate) issue me a duel challenge. I unwisely accept to the supposed terms of a "frig 1v1". The enemy pilot then immediately has a nearby logi transport shields with a medium or large remote shield booster. Obviously my frigate would never be able to brake a tank supported by logi, so I never stood a chance. I never got a window pop up telling me "Eveplayer002" would like to join the duel and asking me to accept or decline. I never even got the chance to fire upon the logi when he gave reps. CONCORD never intervened. I just died.

Problem #2: A far more common issue with the current dueling system's premise of a "fair fight" come from the ability of pilots to dock after accepting a duel. This leads to two common abuses. The first is that pilots will issue a duel and once their target accepts, they immediately dock and then quickly undock in a completely different (and often much larger and/or more expensive) ship and then proceed to quickly destroy the unsuspecting pilot who thought he or she as agreeing to a duel with so-called even odds. The second, less grievous way pilots abuse the ability to dock with an active duel is that they will agree to a duel and engage, but once the fight tips against their favor, they will wait out the combat timer and then simply dock.

My proposed solution for problem 1 is to simply make any logistical support illegal unless a duel request has been issued by the logistical pilot and accepted by the enemy pilot. This would allow the opposing pilot to know what he's getting into and also for him or her to retaliate! I think is solution is very intuitive and I"m at a loss as to why this isn't the way dueling was from the start. A second option would be to allow logistical support without permission from the opposing pilot(s), but then to allow the opposing pilot(s) to retaliate against the ship providing logistical support as soon as aid is given to an opposing pilot in a duel. I think this second option is by far less preferable, but I wanted to give more than one solution.

My proposed solution to problem 2 would be to start a combat timer as soon as a duel is accepted, making it impossible for a dishonorable duelist to dock and return with a larger ship. A second solution would be to immediately end the duel when one or more pilots dock. Again I like the first option better. As far as stopping pilots from waiting out the combat timer and docking when the tide turns against them...I"m not so sure this needs to be fixed. Waiting out the combat timer does give the other pilot ample time to destroy you before you dock.

Please let me know what you think and I welcome any and all additional ideas for solutions for making the honorable dueling system a little more honorable!

-Gori Thane

I call for a revamp of the tutorial system. So many new people come in the forums thinking they have a bright idea yet don't even go about making this idea heard in the correct manner.

TL;DR go post in Features and Ideas

WRONG.

The duel system was created so people could get aggression to shoot each other without concord interference, and without making themselves global suspects.

It was never intended to prevent people from dishonoring 1v1s, whatever that banner may have said.

Everything is working as intended, there is no problem here.

I don't understand the problems?

1. Logi goes suspect. The entire universe can shoot at them. What is the issue?
2. He can dock because he has no aggression timer. You can to... Imagine that.

No such thing as a fair fight. If it is somebody did something wrong.

CCP wants stuff like this to happen. They knew what they were doing. It's good for business.

If you rep someone with a weapons timer you cannot dock, because you inherit the weapons timer.

Duels can be honorable. Duel people you know. Don't expect some random dude that is sending duel invites to not use every means at his disposal to destroy you. I honor 1v1 duels all the time, but I use it for teaching purposes, not to try and have a "fair fight" in everyone versus everyone.

Why thank you Cpt Obvious.

However he was talking about people accepting a duel then docking immediately after the one person engages and undocks in something bigger.

Sums up my feelings.

WHO WOULD PLAY A GAME WHERE DUELS HAVE NO HONOUR?!

NO HONOUR!

Jove Space is a lie.

It is merely a place where gypsy's go to sell blow that has been stepped on too many times.

Trust me.