EVE General Discussion

If you make more money in high-sec then you do in null-sec then you're doing null-sec wrong

Technically, the rewards are better. NPC null missions pay better and give access to pirate LP stores that have nice things in them. SOV null pve (exploration and anomalies) are cool because anoms give liquid isk (no converting LP) and you can get the highest lvl of complexes (such as DED 10/10s) out there. Low sec has lvl 5 mission agents, gnerally higher rewards for lvl 4 missions and faction warfare which can pay out obcene amounts of isk via the FW corp LP stores etc etc. Null and low incursions pay out better than high sec incursions.

What CCPs pve rewards scheme simply does not take into account the way it should is , well, people. The High sec stuff pays less than the equivilent low and null sec stuff, but the high sec stuff is protected by CONCORD and crime watch and other game mechanics like un-wardeccable npc corps, meaning that people who want to kill you while you are doing PVE in high sec have to jump through huge hoops that agressors in low and null do not.

In low and null, all an aggressor has to do is show up to kill you, in high sec an aggressor has to spend isk on kill rights or war decs or spend a ship (suicide gank) even if only a cheap one and then take a sec hit that has to be repaired some kind of way.

It all means that while the high sec pve nomilally pays less than everywhere else, if you don't fly a stupid blingy ship you can farm pve all day every day without being much bothered.

And the amounts of isk you can make are crazy. Why spend a whole bunch of time and effort in null making 15 billion isk per month (if you play EVE like it's a job) when you can spend the same time in high sec, make 8 or 9 bil in a 30 day span of time and still pay for 10 EVe accounts and have a some isk left over?

I know how you feel, I run high sec incursions and do sisters of eve and trust partners missions. I do still go to my alliances ratting systems from time to time for a change up, but there are always neutrals about and I get interrupted a lot, which is fine because this is EVE but it makes it's where I think "why bother, i'll just go to high sec for what I need".

The difference is that my Ishtar is enough reason to titan bridge on me, and the same Ishtar is ignored in high sec.

Yeah, thank you for understand what i'm trying to say. I have to give a try to Incursions too. Maybe these fleets will count with a new Machariel soon.

Yet i've spent years in Gicodel (back in the day) and now Osmon and Lanngis flying Golems, Machs, Tengus and Vargurs and haven't been messed with except for the rare guy coming into my mission trying to get me to agress. The dangers of mission hubs are way overblown and the people who do get killed in them are simply not being very smart.

How hard is it (for example) to MJD away from the warp in of a Gone Berserk or Buzz Kill?

Yea, love me some pirate lvl 5 missions. I do them alot when I'm not doing 20/10 DED plexes or Wormhole Incursions......

(for those who can't take a hint, Pirate lvl 5 missions don't exist).

CeeCeePees they has more shtuff than me pweez nerfvs it or make my stuffs better

Nullbear tears are the sweetest

Mach is good for incursions but it seems like everyone and their mommas have one lol. Vindicators and Logistics ships get you into fleets faster in my experience, there even seems to be a slight resurgence of FC wanting nightmares in fleets too, in the communities I fly with.

I had a buddy come back to the game a few months ago and we went to our alliances null space and did a little ratting and plexing. It was ok, but nothing really major. He'd never done incursions so I loaned him my incursion mach when he went to High Sec.

I honest to God can't get him to come back to null except when there is a fleet going out, last night he said he had something like 3 million CONCORD LP he was about to sell to buy some pvp ships to throw away. Once you can reliably get into an incursion fleet there isn't much point to doing anything else pve-wise to make isk except boredom.

I don't think many CSMs (past or present) are really hardcore into PVE.

And it's a fallacy to believe that the imbalances have to have anything to do with the overall economy. In other words, the economy is probably fine but that doesn't mean that PVE wise null sec is good for anything other than renting out and passing through rather than 'living' in.

Wait I think you're perverting the idea of risk/reward. You mean to say that you, the single player who is taking a huge risk, should not be interfered with by that organized alliance actively patrolling and defending their space, probing you out, etc - since after all there are 30 of them they are taking no risk. So all reward to you and not to them, right?

Life doesn't work like that.

You can still make a fortune alone in null. It takes work. Do your stuff in a different time zone. Change regions. Use a less shiny ship that will attract less attention. Etc. Don't give me that "I'm all alone I have no friends so I'm taking huge risks I should win EVE" stuff, it doesn't work like that.

I went out for 3 hours the other day in a buzzard, all alone. I wandered across several NPC and sov nullsec regions. I made about 400M worth of loot from running data and relic sites. But I wasn't sitting on my backside expecting CCP to hand me isk, I had to check maps, I had to clear camps, I had to focus only on cans/sites that had worthwhile loot, etc. I very nearly got caught and killed once, but I got away. Risk, reward. But active game-play.