Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have to agree here. The cyno jammer would be a useful tool if:

1. it was cheaper
2. it could be deployed instantaneously (say a 5 second online time)
3. it lasted for a few minutes only
4. it only affected the current grid, rather than the entire system.

In this way a roaming gang or forward recon force could use it as a reasonable counter to a cyno bait battleship. This would bring about better balance between small mobile gangs and entrenched pirates or sov holders, making for better fights with more varied outcomes.

Cept salvage drones have a problem with clustered wrecks and just quit salvaging.

Stop screwing around with this crap and fix missiles.

"We have also seen many requests for the ability to share the access rights to a MTU between fleet or corp members.
Exploring this kind of functionality is something we would like to do in the future (possibly with existing modules and possibly with new ones) but properly connecting corp and fleet functionality to the code base behind Mobile Structures requires some behind the scenes work that is not yet completed."

The last half of this sentence (quoted from Fozzie) implies very strongly that (bizarrely) Fozzie sees it as a coding issue, which I find quite amazing.

As a professional salvager, I'd like to correct CCP Fozzie's fuzzy thinking: MTUs will not replace a dedicated salvager, because MTUs are bulky, slow, and don't salvage. As a salvager, I want MTUs to target the furthest objects first because MTUs have a tractor beam with much longer range than a Noctis does (especially when piloted by a low-skilled rookie salvager).

Rather than just throwing your hands up in the air and saying, "not going to do it," here are some options to help maintain the fictional superiority of dedicated salvaging ships over MTUs:

1. Increase the MTU volume, so that you can't feasibly carry six of them in a hull that is not designed for salvaging (i.e.: marauders and Noctis). A suitable increase would be from 100m3 to 150m3. This is a significant volume of any regular L4 mission-runner's hold. I doubt they'd want to waste their time with four of them.
2. Increase the anchoring restrictions: if an MTU can't be anchored within 20km of another MTU, who will go to the effort of dropping more than one?

You could feasibly produce an MTU with two tractor beams and it would not impinge on the role of a dedicated salvage boat, except in edge cases where someone really really wants to salvage everything now without switching ships or contracting bookmarks to someone else.

Professional Noctis pilots love the MTU. It makes looting Mordus Headhunters far less RSI-inducing. Now if only we could pick up those wrecks beyond the range of the rookie pilots' tractor beams, it would be awesome.

TL;DR: MTUs are an excellent complement to existing salvaging specialist ships. Making MTUs tractor the furthest wrecks first will further enhance the synergy between dedicated salvaging ships and a dedicated tractoring and looting structure.

-Harder to scan, harder to destroy, faster tractoring
why would i use the original MTU then? If cost is the only benefit to using the original, then doesnt that hint at Pay 2 Win?

-You want to keep them juggling wrecks to avoid touching on the Noctis's turf,
The Noctis far outshines these things, 10 of these wouldnt do as good as a noctis,
however, the noctis is a clicky monstrosity that drives me crazy just listening to the sound of my mouse, let alone the nightmare of mindless micromanagement. It is an awesome ship, but a pain to use unless all the wrecks are T2 or sleeper, otherwise the return isnt worth the trouble. (*sigh, tangent got me, sorry)
If they didnt juggle (back to the MTUs), salvage drones and MTUs could properly relieve the headache of L4 isk grinding (haha, at least that part of them). For other salvage that is worth more, therefore worth the clickfest, the noctis will still outshine MTUs even if they didnt juggle. Mobile, Faster, More Cargo room, Pick and choose your wrecks, and can warp away clean with whatever you have gathered so far.
To sum up, I think the noctis is versatile and effective enough to remain superior to MTUs, even without the juggling sickness. Its side effect though is a worn out mouse and glazed eyes.

-Launch for Corp/fleet/your mother
Im glad that it is coming, this feature alone will reduce the amount of hair i have to pull from my head. I wish it were sooner and more concrete rather then "Exploring this kind of functionality is something we would like to do in the future"
Non-committal Vagueness, keeping mystery real^

-I didnt see any mention of a "scoop AND loot" possible option, this would again reduce hair pulling.
Im sure coding and stuff though. . .

-Also, when someone calls your name, Fozzie, its impolite to not respond, a zillion threads is not a good enough
excuse. . . https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=322666

I guess we'd better get rid of all faction and T2 modules then...

Cant wait to see MTU's for 500mil a pop. I seriously dont need faster working MTU's. what i need now is a deployable which can salvage next to my regular MTU.

Saying its pay2win is a bit extreme i agree, but if the meta does everything better then the original, why use the original?
Get rid of faction and t2. . .except they have a use, have benefits and drawbacks, and perform different task with different modules, so poor example.

Example of pay to win,
2 items in game, one does function A, the other does the same function A, but 50% better. The only difference is it cost however much more. The player with more money can afford the more expensive item giving him a clear advantage of 50% because of no other reason then he can afford it.

Minor and trivial, but still there. Anyway, dont really care about that, What I care about are things like corp deployment? If this is so much work, why wasnt it done for the original launch of the mtu? Were it me, it would be more important to finish the original MTU before i added more variants.

I havent heard much ranting and raving about wanting MTUs that are harder to probe, or even one that is harder to pop, but i have ranted and raved about "Launch for Corp" and received some positive support. (As well as the wreck juggling issue, but I pick and choose my battles to lose)

These new variants are just grief tears in a can. Nothing of real interest, just a way for other players to burn your isk.
I support forgetting these for now, and correcting the shortfalls of the one we have already.

A meta-2 MTU will cost more money but yield a higher rate of return on that investment, so it's closer to an asset and risk allocation choice rather than pay to win.