Wormholes

Think good fights under those circumstances are quite rare, both times one party jumped into the others home-wormhole.
In those two fights, one party jumped into the other knowing they'd be going down. Streiza jumped his Nagger Gun into our wormhole just to see it die (arguably their other dread went lost in transition it seems), Aq jumped his nag into their magnetar-homehole - though slightly underestimating the dps-output of 4 dreads in a mag.

The fact that neither side just blobbed the **** out of the other in those two situations is what made them so special. (First fight was about even numbers, with us throwing 2 pve-dreads at their pvp-dread, second round was BF outnumbering WG-subcaps, but they deployed a matching fleetcomp to take advantage of their dreadsuperiority and scored the dunk)

Just in comparison, other *notable* wormholegroups don't even dare to take a fight that doesn't happen at 0m on a wormhole, or just simply starts complaining that hostiles refuse to get rolled in as a prereq for any action to happen. Another very poplar method is to bring 6+ guards in a 15man fleet (no namecalling ;)), a tactic that also wasn't employed - to everyone's content.

Tl;dr: Thread was about a good fight, contained a videoreport from both perspectives - I can't see what's not to like. I'd be in favor of more people posting BRs here, since those are what wormholes ultimately boil down to.

I knew damn well what I was jumping into
And def didn't expect to come out alive!

Yes because "it's not good but we don't want it to be worse" argument is me getting schooled. Like null sec or not, but they don't go around saying "sov is not good, but we don't ask for change because CCP might ruin it". It seems the only people that stayed in wh space over the 4th year of stagnation are the people with that sort of weak point of view.

Yea the kills you linked are not opening for me for some weird reason, but I can bet they are mostly (if not all) the typical t3 fight on a wh entrance.

And even if you bothered to look at the corp history of this "alt" (which I have explained multiple times how it really isn't, but you choose to ignore anyways) you would have known that I have been in at least a couple (possibly much more) fights in wh space. If you have see one you have seen all really, and that is the heart of the problem.

So yes stroke each other's back with your hash tags and "troll speak" but you argument basically boils down to "We are afraid of change because things might get worse, so we hang on to what little we have now".

Wh is not active enough, safe and stagnant, and it is a time for some changes. And no one used the word "broken" btw, mechanically speaking wormhole space is the best space in game, just small, but important changes to make the meta vibrant again.

Alright, so to start with, you basically asserted that I called the wormhole community a bunch of pansies for saying that they don’t think that the wormhole community is broken enough to ask CCP for hard changes. I, in fact, said that the overwhelming understanding was that the community would rather not ask CCP to change things and ruin the community.

Now, I’ll break this down into simple English, since I’m assuming based on your two months with my former alliance brethren, English is not your first language: Wormholers. Don’t. Think. Wormholes. Are. Broken.

Overall, some would like a purple wormhole here, or dual static C4 there. Some would like POS changes, some would like T3 rebalancing, some don’t want T3 rebalancing, some would like better isk potential in lower-end wormholes, some (read: many) think wormholes are fine.

The problem with you, alt of some random who claims to have been in more wormhole fights than me (which I find laughable and highly unlikely), is you assert your fictions, that you conceive in that marble-infested brain of yours, as facts, presenting them as facts that we, the wormhole community, should agree with you upon, or face you telling us we are “scared”. Even my “bag o’ dicks” line has more creativity than your seventh grade attempt at a troll.

Your argument that T3/Dread fights are bland is nothing new. If you put on your big boy britches and venture outside the yard, you’d see that other communities have very similar issues. Bane hit the nail when he said that T3 usage is a product of our environment, just like Super/Titan/T2 Sentry warfare is the end all norm in null right now. These methodologies are the products of the environment. Now, Bane called it when he said that T3 rebalancing could resolve this “issue”, if it is even an issue.

You said that T3 fights are just the same of same of same, and frankly, you still haven’t shown that you’ve ever been involved in one. (Also, just copy the links and post them in the address bar to see the killmails, you have to be some level of dumb to not have known the issue exists, but what ev’s) The fact, as stated earlier in your little school lesson is that they are fun. FUN. I enjoy the everything of a fight on, near, whatever a wormhole with my (Insert T3/Bhaalgorn[R.I.P.]), because you can say whatever you want, spew whatever nonsense about the tedium of T3’s and wormholes, but those fights are fun, and if you are doing it right, can go either way. The reason why most of the time, they are slaughters, even though they can last 1-2 hours is because in the fight, the players have to make critical decisions with their ships, that can make or break the fight for one side. Every ship counts, and it isn’t just the numbers, but the roles, the force multiplying, the FC’ing, the coordination, the discipline.

You know nothing, Joan Snow.

Summarized for everyone else who didn't read it.

Can you post a link to the numbers that show wormholes are stagnant? I am genuinely curious to see those statistics.

Got to say, it's quite foolish to call those T3-pimpfests boring at all. It just so happens that many colliding entities can field roughly even numbers or atleast succesfully pretend to only have matching numbers to make fantastic engagements or sometimes horribly onesided ganks, but welp happens. It's (T3-warfare) a game that is played at the upper top of tech you can buy - and every oh so little difference in tactics and positioning can make for a vastly varying outcome, even though both sides are - for the unsuspecting - fielding identical fleets.
I'd assume that more people would be flying an astarte instead of a proteus if it wouldn't take that much more time to train.

I, too, would like to see these stats...

However, I'm in agreement with Greywind, though I won't claim facts or stats. We should put some pressure on Chitsa to get us some numbers.

To my mind we had a quiet Christmas and then came back to targets everywhere! WH's C1-4 are repopulating very quickly.

The "WH meta" isn't stagnant either.I see groups, some of whom are good friends, trying all sorts of new fleet disciplines and if you ever follow the Alliance Tournament you'll see some of the shock wins are coming more and more from WH folk and their ability to think out of the box.

But if you are asking me whether I would rather push a heavy BS fleet or a same DPS and 150%+ tanked T3 fleet through to a fight ? ............... Lemme think about it.

I think the one key point you are missing Joan is that wh space gives us access to all kinds of space. This allows us to have fun in high/low/null if we want. To limit ourselves to one small spot in Eve to pvp, when you have such access is foolish, at best.

Secondly, I have already explained why the meta is the way it is. T3s offer the best tank/dps/mass combination in game. It's quite simple to see why it hasn't changed. No other ships come close. I would like to see more options in the future, but for right now, that is your best option.

Lastly, post the numbers you saw.