These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Why are many people on these forums so negative, and so hostile?

First post First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#381 - 2014-02-27 18:14:55 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
tippia doesn't have the ability to consider points of view other than his own.
Sure I do. You just have to use something other than blatant fallacies and unsupported assertions as a foundation.
Actually, you don't have to do that either, but at that point, I'll reserve the right to call your view fallacious and unsupported.

Quote:
Much like you, he does not understand the human connection between all of us playing the game. You view us like your play things, toys to be abused for your amusement.
No. Those are your prejudices talking. Do you even know what I do in the game?

Quote:
I'm a human being and I have feelings, which you obviously do not.
Which is why you are broken.
Again with the hostility and abuse. And then you wonder why people question your world-view and claim to moral superiority?
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#382 - 2014-02-27 18:16:40 UTC
Exploding your cute little ventures at lowsec belts is my way of playing with you. Last time I checked that was not against any rule. Did I miss something? Maybe you missed that point saying: cold, harsh universe where YOU shape your destiny?

Invalid signature format
Mag's
Azn Empire
#383 - 2014-02-27 18:18:01 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


tippia doesn't have the ability to consider points of view other than his own. It's useless arguing with him because despite what is a very clear connection, he refuses to acknowledge.

Much like you, he does not understand the human connection between all of us playing the game. You view us like your play things, toys to be abused for your amusement.

you're not suppose to light us on fire and blow us up with firecrackers just to see us get mad that you wish to prove you're a bad person. You're suppose to want to play with us, respectfully.

But you don't see that, all you see us as is tools to make yourself feel better. But I'm not your tool, I'm a human being and I have feelings, which you obviously do not.

Which is why you are broken.
Like I said, only assumptions from you now. But don't get upset just because you failed to prove any of it. Even though it now looks weak, it was fun to watch.

Thanks for playing.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#384 - 2014-02-27 18:18:58 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Exploding your cute little ventures at lowsec belts is my way of playing with you. Last time I checked that was not against any rule. Did I miss something? Maybe you missed that point saying: cold, harsh universe where YOU shape your destiny?


You can come blow up my venture if you want. Just don't be upset when I label you as someone I can't trust and treat you as such.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#385 - 2014-02-27 18:21:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Mag's wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


tippia doesn't have the ability to consider points of view other than his own. It's useless arguing with him because despite what is a very clear connection, he refuses to acknowledge.

Much like you, he does not understand the human connection between all of us playing the game. You view us like your play things, toys to be abused for your amusement.

you're not suppose to light us on fire and blow us up with firecrackers just to see us get mad that you wish to prove you're a bad person. You're suppose to want to play with us, respectfully.

But you don't see that, all you see us as is tools to make yourself feel better. But I'm not your tool, I'm a human being and I have feelings, which you obviously do not.

Which is why you are broken.
Like I said, only assumptions from you now. But don't get upset just because you failed to prove any of it. Even though it now looks weak, it was fun to watch.

Thanks for playing.


Whatever guy you pick what you want to believe. Difference is mine is fastened in reality while yours is the product of your ego justifying your actions to prevent you from analyzing yourself to avoid admitting your imperfect. This isn't my first rodeo. Your subtle attempts at manipulation are so aol it's embarrassing.

But don't be mad when I come to the conclusion that based off of your actions, you're someone I can't trust and should warn others not to trust as well.

In the grand scheme of this thread, what statement do you think could have more potential impacton each others game play:

Don't trust Divine Intervention he thinks he's morally superior!

or

Don't trust Mags. He spends hours talking about how it's morally acceptable to lie and steal from people.

Whatever I could've possibly exposed myself for is no where near in comparison to the damage you've done to yourselves continuously trying to justify you're treating other people like garbage.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#386 - 2014-02-27 18:21:57 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Exploding your cute little ventures at lowsec belts is my way of playing with you. Last time I checked that was not against any rule. Did I miss something? Maybe you missed that point saying: cold, harsh universe where YOU shape your destiny?


You can come blow up my venture if you want. Just don't be upset when I label you as someone I can't trust and treat you as such.


Why would I get upset about what you think about my in-game character? She is a pirate and flashy red and she acts accordingly.

Invalid signature format
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#387 - 2014-02-27 18:22:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Divine Entervention wrote:

tippia doesn't have the ability to consider points of view other than his own
Pot, meet kettle.

Quote:
It's useless arguing with him because despite what is a very clear connection, he refuses to acknowledge.
A connection you have repeatedly failed to prove.

Quote:
Much like you, he does not understand the human connection between all of us playing the game. You view us like your play things, toys to be abused for your amusement.
Nope, in Eve you are a target, if you're not my friend, you're my enemy. In short the only difference between another player and an NPC is that NPCs don't act like infants when they die.

Quote:
you're not suppose to light us on fire and blow us up with firecrackers just to see us get mad that you wish to prove you're a bad person. You're suppose to want to play with us, respectfully.
What game are you playing? It's certainly not Eve.

Quote:
But you don't see that, all you see us as is tools to make yourself feel better. But I'm not your tool, I'm a human being and I have feelings, which you obviously do not.

Which is why you are broken.
It's a role playing game, as such it is a fantasy, fantasy is an escape.

Now if people acted in real life as they do in game you might have a point, they don't so your so called point is invalid.

Fanfest and OOG meetups prove that people who will quite happily murder and steal from each other in game are also quite happy to buy each other beers and chat amicably in a real life setting, because they can separate their fantasy life from their real life, something you seem to be incapable of.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#388 - 2014-02-27 18:24:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Mandarine
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mandarine wrote:
It's a good job that CCP aren't trying to attract millions of gamers, they're not trying to be EA or Blizzard.

All evidence to date points to CCP being quite happy to continue with the current formula of Eve, and remain as an independent developer producing a highly successful, long lived and brutal MMORPG in the vein of Ultima Online, from which many of the original devs hail.

Many game devs have found, to their chagrin, that trying to be WoW 2.0 is a surefire path to failure.


I don´t see that WoWish rpgs are sandboxes. And remember why UO was trammelized, imposing hardcoded limitations on pvp.

When the technology allows for a million concurrent players, do you think CCP will still be content with 70-80k?


Jenn aSide wrote:


You think people like you are 'regular'. Hell, you might even be right because most MMOs coddle people in a warm blanket of safety and false hero-hood.

Why in hell would anyone want to be 'regular' or surrounded by 'regular' people who can't figure out how to do anything extraordinary in a game or in real life? Do you like boredom?

We see this thinking all the time here, the "EVE would get more subs if {insert anti-EVE feature here}" idea. Why not play a game that isn't made by psycho pvp players instead and let the "griefers" (and their allies, such as me) have their own space. Must everything be some bland "equality" type thing.

I think these ideas (of yours) are the true cancer. not content to control the bulk of the MMO world, you types must also have the EVEs of the world to. No niche or difference is allowed.


I think that "regular" gamers imagine their favorite character, whom they impersonate, waging battles, solving puzzles, interacting in some form or another with other player-controlled characters, all in the environment of the game. They are playing a game, and having fantasies that take place within the game.

In a sandbox environment, this allows for all kinds of heroic and dastardly actions, mind you.

You think that MMOs are bland and railroad experiences because of "regular" players. But, as I wrote above, remember why UO was trammelized. The griefers´ playstyle imposed this.

The problem lies not with the "regular" gamer, who wants to play pretend and actually enjoys open environments. It lies with the griefer type, who does not see the ingame narrative as an end it itself, but merely uses the game as a platform to experience Schadenfreude. They develop glee by witnessing their own selves (i:e. not their character) being the cause of the RL distress of some unknown Joe, which they have created by using the game as a platform.

And to clarify, there are in New Eden a lot of pirates and pvpers who do not fall at all into the griefer/ganker category. Actually, those are a minority, albeit a vocal one. I´m not putting the goons in the equation, they are an internet sect, kind of.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#389 - 2014-02-27 18:26:19 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Exploding your cute little ventures at lowsec belts is my way of playing with you. Last time I checked that was not against any rule. Did I miss something? Maybe you missed that point saying: cold, harsh universe where YOU shape your destiny?


You can come blow up my venture if you want. Just don't be upset when I label you as someone I can't trust and treat you as such.


Why would I get upset about what you think about my in-game character? She is a pirate and flashy red and she acts accordingly.


OK, you told me you're a pirate. Got it. Mission accomplished. I now know not to ever trust you. Thanks for telling me before hand so I don't have to find out another way that could be damaging to myself.

Thanks.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#390 - 2014-02-27 18:28:25 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


Whatever guy you pick what you want to believe. Difference is mine is fastened in reality while yours is the product of your ego justifying your actions to prevent you from analyzing yourself to avoid admitting your imperfect. This isn't my first rodeo. Your subtle attempts at manipulation are so aol it's embarrassing.

But don't be mad when I come to the conclusion that based off of your actions, you're someone I can't trust and should warn others not to trust as well.

In the grand scheme of this thread, what statement do you think could have more potential impacton each others game play:

Don't trust Divine Intervention he thinks he's morally superior!

or

Don't trust Mags. He spends hours talking about how it's morally acceptable to lie and steal from people.

Whatever I could've possibly exposed myself for is no where near in comparison to the damage you've done to yourselves continuously trying to justify you're treating other people like garbage.
Irony as well as assumptions now. Man you are scraping the barrel. Lol

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#391 - 2014-02-27 18:29:16 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
You're suppose to want to play with us, respectfully.



I think this is another example of the narrow perspective I mentioned. They are 'supposed' to play with 'us' anyway they choose within the ToS and EULA. Being a douche is not illegal. You are of course free to dislike them,
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#392 - 2014-02-27 18:30:33 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


Whatever guy you pick what you want to believe. Difference is mine is fastened in reality while yours is the product of your ego justifying your actions to prevent you from analyzing yourself to avoid admitting your imperfect. This isn't my first rodeo. Your subtle attempts at manipulation are so aol it's embarrassing.

But don't be mad when I come to the conclusion that based off of your actions, you're someone I can't trust and should warn others not to trust as well.

In the grand scheme of this thread, what statement do you think could have more potential impacton each others game play:

Don't trust Divine Intervention he thinks he's morally superior!

or

Don't trust Mags. He spends hours talking about how it's morally acceptable to lie and steal from people.

Whatever I could've possibly exposed myself for is no where near in comparison to the damage you've done to yourselves continuously trying to justify you're treating other people like garbage.
Irony as well as assumptions now. Man you are scraping the barrel. Lol


You say what you want. I'm still right, you're still wrong.

It's demonstrated by our play styles.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#393 - 2014-02-27 18:31:01 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


Don't trust Divine Intervention he thinks he's morally superior!

or

Don't trust Mags. He spends hours talking about how it's morally acceptable to lie and steal from people.


Mags wins, on the grounds that he, unlike you, are able to keep a video game in context. I'd trust Mags with my space-life..just not my space-isk... Twisted
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#394 - 2014-02-27 18:31:19 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
OK, you told me you're a pirate. Got it. Mission accomplished. I now know not to ever trust you. Thanks for telling me before hand so I don't have to find out another way that could be damaging to myself.

Thanks.


Nope, Schmata is a pirate. Other character is near perfect trader and currently training for freighters. Another one just sits in Jita and tell my trader about prices. Another one flies around newbie systems and helps newbies in missions. Yet another is six days from sitting in command ship and will continue toward maxed out links and then finish probing skills.

I am 35 yo software developer, married, no kids.

Invalid signature format
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#395 - 2014-02-27 18:31:54 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
You're suppose to want to play with us, respectfully.



I think this is another example of the narrow perspective I mentioned. They are 'supposed' to play with 'us' anyway they choose within the ToS and EULA. Being a douche is not illegal. You are of course free to dislike them,


No where in the EULA or TOS does it say you have to be a douche.

You make that choice. Because you choose to be a douche, since the game isn't making you a douche, I get to think of you as one.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#396 - 2014-02-27 18:31:57 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


You say what you want. I'm still right, you're still wrong.

It's demonstrated by our play styles.
But without proof and based on your assumptions. Yea, we know already. Lol

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#397 - 2014-02-27 18:31:57 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


You say what you want. I'm still right, you're still wrong.

It's demonstrated by our play styles.


You forgot to say "naa naa nee boo boo, stick your head in doo do" at the end of your post.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#398 - 2014-02-27 18:32:59 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


You say what you want. I'm still right, you're still wrong.

It's demonstrated by our play styles.


You forgot to say "naa naa nee boo boo, stick your head in doo do" at the end of your post.


Are you accusing me of acting childish?

That's pretty funny coming from a guy who's objective is to make others miserable.

Hypocrite
Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#399 - 2014-02-27 18:34:42 UTC
This is getting pretty tiresome, Divine Whatever. Biomass yourself already. Bear
Marsha Mallow
#400 - 2014-02-27 18:35:16 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
You can come blow up my venture if you want. Just don't be upset when I label you as someone I can't trust and treat you as such.
Exploding your ship really isn't all that personal from some points of view. It's just another target. Fair enough some people are obnoxious about it, but assuming PVP is synoymous with griefing or that the player has psychological issues is pretty wierd. What on earth do people come to a PVP sandbox and expect? We just want to play with you (violently)!

Mandarine wrote:
And to clarify, there are in New Eden a lot of pirates and pvpers who do not fall at all into the griefer/ganker category. Actually, those are a minority, albeit a vocal one.
If people scream when their pixels explode, it's really hard to keep a straight face. Go blow a few people up, get into the spirit of the game rather than judging everyone else for doing so, and that moral superiority/victim mentality might shift a few degrees. The fact that a lot of devs pvp should be indicative of the philosophy of the game. You don't see them posting claiming to roleplay victims of griefers eh.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day