EVE New Citizens Q&A

OP, I'm fairly new too.

Most of my skills are combat in one race, Minmatar, in cruiser or less. (No current intention of going beyond that for a long long time.) But, as I trip across skills I need to earn more ISK, I train them up. That includes some fairly well developed mining skills which I will use for gas mining.

Specialization focuses your direction, but there's so much that's useful in this game, it's a shame not to train up lots of other useful areas on your way to your first goal.

I'll do my best to not tie this reply into others. I think there is a serious lack of reading comprehension in this thread by some mainly because some choose to frame an argument to suit their terms and very narrow definitions. I am dying still to see where I said anything other than "I think this is best for me" or " this is what I think I'll do". Or where I said anything but starting out one needs to focus. Sadly I made ZERO comparisons to 6 months, or even 3 months down the road as to what I think someone should train. If one is incapable of comprehending this is through the "eye" as it were of a less than two week old toon then they should kindly stop being a bellend and move along. I have been nothing but consistent in saying these are my choices and my thoughts. Disagree if you will but have the intellectual honesty to try and put your "arguments" in a place that is relative to a sub two week toon. Not what's a good idea a year from now.

Serious question. Are you literate? I keep scanning for "wrong" or " I'm right and you suck!!" sadly all I see that you must construe that from is "I think my way is better". Can you provide a good skill plan for a new character that quickly gets them competent at all facets of eve? Say for one around my age 9 days or so? How about 2 weeks? A month? How long would it take me to become a competent pvp pilot in say a slasher and be a decent miner in say a retriever? What about adding some market skills? How long to become competent at scanning since we're doing it all? How many races weapon systems, tanks and hull sizes do you recommend the first month? I'd like to see a lot more steak and a lot less sizzle about how to get effective at all facets of eve my first couple weeks. It'd be a great asset for the community.

There is a couple of things i want to address here.

First off.


I think you said something along those lines right here;



At that specific point you are telling people what kind of corp they should join, while bashing down on corporations that dont specialize in one area. Nothing in that part of your post says anything along the lines off "I think this is the best for me" or "This is what i think I'll do. Its a very clear "This is what you should do because the other options are bad".
And that is what i disagreed with, which leads me to my second point.

I think you misunderstood my post completely.
I was trying to tell you that joining a corporation that does everything has its benefits, because you will have people off all aspects in said corp. People who specialize in mining, PVP, PVE, trading. piracy, whatever.

Just because your in a corporation that has people that do different things, it does not mean that you have to do it all, or even any of it.

I will use my self as an example here.
I hate mining.
I dont PVP.
If you want to get me into a WH you have to drag me kicking and screaming.
I dont do any form of industry.
I dont do any trading.

Now what does the corp do?
Some mine, some PVP, some live in WH, some live in low sec, some live in high sec, some does missions, some trade, some just use EVE as a glorified chat room and im sure others are doing things im not even aware off!

Does this affect my skill training in any way or form? No.
I train what I want to train, because when your in a corp where everyone is allowed and encouraged to do whatever they feel like doing no one is going to dictate what you train.

Specialization.

How on earth this moved into a discussion on whether or not its a good thing to specialize your skills i dont know, but believe me that was not my intention, even if i feel like my post somehow caused this.

Some people like to specialize, either because they want to be maxed out in what they want to spend their time doing, or because their OCD is screaming at them if they dont have every skill at level 5.
Im a pure Minmatar, 8 years of skill training, and i have a total of 150k SP in missiles.And why? Because i dont like missile ships that much. If i told someone that they have to train something in everything i would be a hypocrite

So, if you know what you want to do, specialize your skills around that. If you want to try something new, train the basic skills and then make up your mind about it, if you want to do it all, go for it.

So, in that aspect i think we agree, every person has to make their own choice on this.

I could have sworn I posted a mea culpa about the corporation part a page ago. As an aside I'm more than disinterested in this thread for the time being. I've spent the majority responding to flat out bullshit or conjecture or repeating myself for those with learning disabilities. I see little point in contributing to this thread for the foreseeable future.

For any skill I have trained so far, I felt that I could function well with that skill at 3, maybe 4 if it was required for unlocking further skills. It was not until I was years into the game that I decided to fill out all those skills.

The truth is that it only takes a day or so to skill up a new subject to use able levels, and in the big picture, a few days is not important.

Heck, when I came back after taking a long break recently I found that so many things had changed that even with nearly 100m combat sp I was lacking in certain aspects, but that never bothered me. So I am not sure how to answer the question of when I felt skills were 'acceptable', as even now I have areas where I am aware that I am lacking, however I am not bothered by the fact that I am not able to squeeze that last 10-15% out of something, fleshing out the skills was something of a luxury later on.

It's a bummer, because this thread started off so well. Reading it I went from pleased at the OP's initial attitude, to amused by the responses typifying the various attitudes of our forum regulars, to frustrated that people who agree on 95% of the post topic can't reach an understanding.

Arguing about specialization is just silly. It's an inherent trade-off built in to the game. Everyone has to decide at some level whether they want to be more efficient at a single task or be able to perform more tasks. For new players without clearly defined interests it can be useful to diversify a bit to see what they enjoy. This will eventually lead to specializing somewhat, as EVE rather demands it. Other players have well defined goals and would prefer to specialize immediately.

IMO train diverse skills until you have well defined goals. Then specialize enough to meet your goals without stunting your playstyle options completely.

I've decided to hell with stopping this thread. I have things to say and will just ignore the shitposters from here on out.

The D-Scanner. It's my nemesis. Or was until I realized I needed to learn to use it and found a couple great guides on YouTube. I am not sure how applicable it is to a non combat role (anyone care to comment?) . I can see use's for miners etc. to keep a watch out for hostiles but mostly it seems to be a tool for combat. As location tool, and as an early warning system for the aware. I was literally warping belt to belt (derping as I like to call it) looking for ratters until I found this handy little tool built right into the game. Handy stuff to say the least. I am still learning it limitation's and it's finer points in empty systems till I get the hang of it. The best part is no skill training, no books to buy and no pre-requisites. Everyone in game has one you simply need to take the time to find a guide or hit a corp mate up and get the lowdown on this really handy tool. I mentioned it earlier but this also ties into how your D-scanner works. Your overview. If you're new and it's the default setup it's borked. Now, my alliance has a specific overview we use so the guide I linked was of no use to me personally. So while I can't swear to it's quality it is a guide from Eve-Uni a well known beginner friendly source.


Linkage...

Overview guide

Quick Dscanner tutorial I found that was well done

D-Scanner Guide

Research what applies to you, and make it so. Sadly I still suck and haven't caught anyone yet but this is a new weapon in my arsenal that I have no doubt will pay dividends down the road.