EVE General Discussion

The thing with Eve is it takes a while to get anywhere.... People want their super shiny stuff NOW. Like a baby who's been denied a lolly in super market que they'll kick and scream to get what they want and kill the game at the same time (World of Warcraft). Thankfully CCP has not bowed to these same pressures as much as other developers have and kept the game tough. It weeds out the weaklings and crushes their skulls.

People aren't afraid of Eve itself, I think its been long established that most people are frankly scared to death of AFK Cloakers.

But in reality, that's not fair. Does the AFK cloaker instill fear simply by showing in system? Or does the imagination of the others in system literally go wild and perceive a threat where there is none? These are the questions to ask. No one really asks..is he even cloaked? Nope..brain says im scared, so im going to stay docked.Cant undock... reds will get me. Cant undock...reds will get me. Cant undock...reds will get me. They chant in their CQs, while in the corner, rocking back and forth holding their knees. Why see for certain, when my imagination tells me everything. So they go and run to the forums, because nerfing AFK cloakers will fix their perceptions of reality.

So I cant see why people would be 'afraid' of Eve. Eve isn't scary. Eve Online is simply a tool, a tool for content creation. Are you scared of a shovel that is laying next to your shed? It would be silly if you were! No mommy..I cant go near the shed...the shovel will get me! I know right...ridiculous. Now, place the shovel in the hands of a rampaging lunatic. That **** is ******* scary! No mommy..I wont go near the shed...the shovel wielding maniac will get me! You aren't scared of the shovel. You are scared of the man wielding the shovel, and what he might use the shovel to do. '

So in closing, Your 'friends' are silly to be afraid of Eve. Eve is simply another in a long list of games, games populated by the real scary creatures..... other people.

Because some of my friends are of simple mind and cannot even handle the complexity of DUST 514.

Majority of my friends who tried EVE and came to conclusion to not to play EVE Online is because time investment game requires. Combined that and 15 euros / month does not seem to be good investment for "casual" players who log on to game for few hours a week.

What is wrong with having to wait for a while to be able to fly the big shiny toys? Who says that you can not go out and have a blast with tech1 frigattes. It simply is your mindest that is limiting yourself.

If you wait until you can fly a faction battleship or any other expansive ship before you start actually having fun in the game i really hope that i will be the first person you try to have a fight with in that ship.

And if anything is discouraging new players to go out and have fun in the first days it is people like you who spread that nonsense around that you need millions of sp to actually be useful for a group. All those people including you do not have a ******* clue what they are talking about.

I'm not buying the whole "others have all these skillpoints" talk. I believe that means you don't understand how the game really works:
- people with al ot of SP are by no means "good" at EVE.
- most that have a lot of SP started out with.... little SP while those around them had a lot of SP .
- I cant fly a Widow for a 106 day... thats good man. If it were any different you'd lose it even earlier.

EVE is a sci-fi sandbox without "respawns". That will appeal to some and not to others. I dont see how this is any different than me liking apples and you liking peaches.

All this skillpoints talk reminds me of people in other MMOs who feel the need to "power level" so they can finally take part in the glorious "end game". Only to notice that said end game isn't significantly different than "early game" and quit after a while.
Some do it because it's the only way they can be competitive in PvP in those other games, I guess.

This holds true for Eve as well, to some degree. You do need a certain amount of skill points to fly a ship effectively, right?
But if it is true that you can fulfill meaningful roles in group PvP even with small ships which are easy to skill for, then there's no reason to not have fun from the start even in PvP.

I like that you can't power level in Eve. Maybe I'm biased because I do not have that much time to play, usually, thus having the skill progression kinda decoupled from game-time is nice.. but it's also that I don't need to worry about doing things which are effective to level up, but can focus on things that are fun.

I'm having fun so far, though I do not expect I will be a super solo pirate killer anytime soon, I guess.

Waiting for the big ships does not bother me. What seems problematic to me is that I cannot seem to fly even the most basic ships, T1 frigates, to their maximum potential. I've been playing for almost a month now and I am still extremely limited, even with the most basic ships.

I do not necessarily want to join eve and have access to a battleship. But seeing as how the Frigate is the weakest combat ship, I cannot hope to achieve effective efficiency even with it.

I understand that I can join a fleet and be "useful" in absorbing a few seconds of someone's attention while the heavy hitters do their work. I understand I can tackle a ship so allies can get in position and fight him. But what I cannot do, what I want to, is fight on an even playing field solo against anyone.

I think alot of other new people would like to do that as well. Be able to fly one of the T1 frigates to it's maximum potential to make frigate fights a contest between skill and not who's spent more time logged out. Yet in this realm, it's unrealistic.

There's only like 6 things we can do:

Tackle in a fleet

Fly the most ineffective logistics ships that transfer like 30 shields per second (while friendlies are taking 400 dps, making it near inconsequential)

Fly ewar, which low skill makes it so you have to get close, with ewar being targetted first always so you probably don't even get one jamming cycle off before you're obliterated.

Mine - booorrrriinnng

Do level 1 missions - moderately interesting at first, until they start repeating over and over again and you realize how shallow the mission depth is, while it pays you next to nothing for the time invested compared to mining

Or haul goods around in a paper thin, liable to be destroyed by anyone at anytime for LoLs industrial ship hauling goods around, literally risking everything for next to nothing in comparison.

Not everybody wants to fly in a BS.

Some enjoy the lighter, faster ships and it's not as if a BS is mandatory for getting anywhere in EVE. There's lots to do before getting to the big stuff and after all mining does not need a BS to get started.

Unsuccessful At Everything has it right. It's the players that put people off. Aggressive, opinionated and at times just plain nasty.

Still that's what the game encourages the players to be, so the perception of a hostile game ethos is a turn-off for a lot of potential players.

Oh, no, it's not their failure they made a game/manage this game is such a way that it fails to attract new players.

But then again maybe I should listen to the 5-6 year old players, the game will be cool by the time the calendar shows 2020.