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Bring back the old crucifier hull
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Dhuras
The Classy Gentlemans Corporation
Moist.
#21 - 2014-02-12 18:11:41 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
ColdCutz wrote:
Caldari 5 wrote:
Dhuras wrote:
I admit the tie fighter comparison was pretty bad, The point I was trying to get across as that they went with a design that has been done to death (central hull with two wings), whereas the old crucifier had its own unique asymmetrical model.

An there was the main issue with the old model, Amarrian Ships are meant to be Symmetrical, the asymmetric ship just felt wrong.
Symmetry is boring. I loved the uniqueness of the old design as Dhuras stated. Also you conveniently ignored his main point that they went with a design that has been done to death.


Symmetry is essential in space. If your ship has a highly asymmetrical mass, mass distribution and propulsion systems, you start to spin in circles instead of propelling forward. Moreover, all Amarr ships are highly symmetrical, with the only exceptions of the Omen hulls and their drone bay, the Coercer hulls with the cockpit attachment and the former Crucifier hulls. The rest is all symmetrical, and CCP brought one of the few aberrations back into line. In addition, many Amarr ships have a hull that is divided into 2 equal parts (shuttle, Coercer, Executioner, Providence, ...), which was furthered with the new Crucifier as well.

I only hope they don't touch the Aeon hull. The massive asymmetry there is iconical and should always remain.

To sooth your longing for more asymmetry: Do you have a good concept for an asymmetrical Crucifier?


We clearly aren't concerned with the realism of propulsion system physics though since we have plenty of asymmetrical ships in game already (Moa, Falcon, thanatos, griffin, helios ect...)

As for a concept idea? Just take the old model and touch it up a bit. Don't fix what ain't broke
Sylveria Relden
#22 - 2014-02-12 18:35:21 UTC
Dhuras wrote:
The old crucifier hull was very visually distinct. when you saw it you would immediately know what it was, but this new model is as generic as it gets. a blobby mess with 2 wings that looks like a thousand other Tai Fighter rip-offs I know the old crucifier hull was a bit of an odd shape and that turned some people off, but the ship models aren't doing to please everyone and some of us like our asymmetry, and again, it was visually striking, you knew exactly what a crucifier was by the silhouette alone.


Disagree. I like the new look.

It doesn't look like someone undocked a half-finished ship from the shipyard anymore.

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#23 - 2014-02-12 22:12:38 UTC
Sylveria Relden wrote:
Dhuras wrote:
The old crucifier hull was very visually distinct. when you saw it you would immediately know what it was, but this new model is as generic as it gets. a blobby mess with 2 wings that looks like a thousand other Tai Fighter rip-offs I know the old crucifier hull was a bit of an odd shape and that turned some people off, but the ship models aren't doing to please everyone and some of us like our asymmetry, and again, it was visually striking, you knew exactly what a crucifier was by the silhouette alone.


Disagree. I like the new look.

It doesn't look like someone undocked a half-finished ship from the shipyard anymore.


From my hanger it looks like only the bottom bit is finished....

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Phaade
Know-Nothings
#24 - 2014-02-12 23:09:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Phaade
Dhuras wrote:
The old crucifier hull was very visually distinct. when you saw it you would immediately know what it was, but this new model is as generic as it gets. a blobby mess with 2 wings that looks like a thousand other Tai Fighter rip-offs I know the old crucifier hull was a bit of an odd shape and that turned some people off, but the ship models aren't doing to please everyone and some of us like our asymmetry, and again, it was visually striking, you knew exactly what a crucifier was by the silhouette alone.


You're trippin man.

The old crucifier looked absolutely ********.

Apparently they bleep mental conditions.
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#25 - 2014-02-13 02:04:12 UTC
- 1 I really like the hull, although it's T2 counterpart could use a new paintjob, so it actually looks different.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#26 - 2014-02-13 11:37:49 UTC
uhm

you do know it's amarr

right?
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#27 - 2014-02-13 11:39:02 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Everything resembles a Tie Fighter somehow; what about the Rifter, since it also has two wings.

I personally like the new Crucifier/Sentinel model a lot, because it doesn't look like a Minmatar ship anymore.

the rifter reminds me more of the x wing.
Lidia Caderu
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#28 - 2014-02-13 16:01:36 UTC
new hull looks like flipped executioner and it looks not very good. But better then old one
Morgan North
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#29 - 2014-02-13 16:25:59 UTC
I prefer the new crucifier hull. it is correctly "mostly" symmetrical, if a bit too large for its own good.

I'm also waiting for the animation bit to kick in.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-02-27 07:03:50 UTC
Dhuras wrote:
The old crucifier hull was very visually distinct. when you saw it you would immediately know what it was, but this new model is as generic as it gets. a blobby mess with 2 wings that looks like a thousand other Tai Fighter rip-offs I know the old crucifier hull was a bit of an odd shape and that turned some people off, but the ship models aren't doing to please everyone and some of us like our asymmetry, and again, it was visually striking, you knew exactly what a crucifier was by the silhouette alone.

Get your grubby assymetrical paws off my Crucifier!! I love the new model!! :D

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Dhuras
The Classy Gentlemans Corporation
Moist.
#31 - 2014-03-02 02:57:01 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Dhuras wrote:
The old crucifier hull was very visually distinct. when you saw it you would immediately know what it was, but this new model is as generic as it gets. a blobby mess with 2 wings that looks like a thousand other Tai Fighter rip-offs I know the old crucifier hull was a bit of an odd shape and that turned some people off, but the ship models aren't doing to please everyone and some of us like our asymmetry, and again, it was visually striking, you knew exactly what a crucifier was by the silhouette alone.

Get your grubby assymetrical paws off my Crucifier!! I love the new model!! :D


NEVER!

A little asymmetry never hurt anyone.
Jasen Harper
The Holy Rollers
#32 - 2014-03-02 06:04:12 UTC
I don't understand how they bring out a new ship model and then forget to give it a 2nd paint for the T2 variant.

Also, it was supposed to be animated, where did that go? You can plainly see where it should be animated but is not.

Otherwise it looks pretty good.

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Meandering Milieu
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-03-02 06:18:15 UTC
Ronny Hugo wrote:
The only other race battleships that make engineering sense is the maelstrom, typhoon and Rokh.


Um, Megathrom, Machariel, Dominix, Raven?

I mean, most of those are built like literal bricks.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#34 - 2014-03-02 07:02:55 UTC
Jasen Harper wrote:
I don't understand how they bring out a new ship model and then forget to give it a 2nd paint for the T2 variant.

Also, it was supposed to be animated, where did that go? You can plainly see where it should be animated but is not.

Otherwise it looks pretty good.


It has a T2 paint but the Viziam base color (for most of the armor parts) looks very similar to the standard Amarr color, and the Viziam color for the ornaments has this slight green cast, which is very prominent on their other ships, like the Prorator, but not so much on the Sentinel because it has comparatively small ornamental areas.

It is not supposed to be animated just yet. As the Art Dept stated during FF2013, they are going to remodel ships with features in mind that allow for an implementation of transformation animations of their hulls in the future. They never stated an exact date when this animation would happen.

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Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-03-02 07:55:34 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Also the artists have got carried away with the scaling, it looks far too big to be a frigate hull, not unless those windows are tiny.


Those arent windows, Frigates only have 1-3 Pilots, thats it.


Anyway, I would like to see this model used for the punisher and the Assault frigates because this way I could fly it more often.

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#36 - 2014-03-02 07:59:23 UTC
If they aren't windows what are they?

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Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-03-02 12:36:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Damien White
Status lights for internal systems?

No idea.


But take a look at the bantam for example, it is a one pilot ship and you clearly see where the pilot is located and how "small" the ship realy is. And still you have those lights.


EDIT: Or they are for cooling purposes. Since we are in space cooling stuff is one of the biggest problems Spaceship designers have to face because a vacuum is the perfect insulation and you only can cool stuff by using heat radiation.

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Hairpins Blueprint
The Northerners
Fraternity.
#38 - 2014-03-02 13:56:41 UTC
game is changing ... adapt, i was craying over old vaga and tempest, but they are very cool after all : ))

The Vaga ohh man, matars have designers that make hot ships. Lol
Mixu Paatelainen
Eve Refinery
#39 - 2014-03-02 14:41:40 UTC
Supported.
Jasen Harper
The Holy Rollers
#40 - 2014-03-02 14:43:58 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:


It has a T2 paint but the Viziam base color (for most of the armor parts) looks very similar to the standard Amarr color, and the Viziam color for the ornaments has this slight green cast, which is very prominent on their other ships, like the Prorator, but not so much on the Sentinel because it has comparatively small ornamental areas.

It is not supposed to be animated just yet. As the Art Dept stated during FF2013, they are going to remodel ships with features in mind that allow for an implementation of transformation animations of their hulls in the future. They never stated an exact date when this animation would happen.



Okay, I stand corrected on the t2 paint scheme however all 4 marauders are animated and came that way when they were changed for Rubicon. There is absolutely no reason why a brand new ship, that is obviously supposed to be animated shouldn't be on release. Anything said about it at this point is simply an excuse.

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