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Julius Cabeki
Huola Industrial Development
#1 - 2014-02-26 21:54:14 UTC
I would like ask your advice for my research project.

Gallentean ship designs generally include elements from living nature to improve the performance of the ships while one of key elements of cyber knighthood is to improve our living bodies with implants to better serve God. This parallel has been noted in knightmasters' books and it has been suggested that studying Gallente ships might deepen our faith and improve our combat capabilities.

Unfortunately knighmasters haven't search the topic much so there is very limited guidance available for my research. There is a great book about Caldari ships which is written by an engineer of Khanid Innovations. I am going to use it as a model for my research but it does not contain information about Gallente ships nor references to scriptures which I should consult while learning their capabilies.

I would appreciate both religious advice about the volumes of scriptures I should study and technical advice about the ships I should choose for tests.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-02-26 22:00:15 UTC
Gallentean ships are filth just like their creators.
But I agree, that study of their ships can benefit and show how to slay these subhumans more efficiently.
Good luck and profits to you, Mr. Cabeki, and may your deeds help our cluster to get rid from gallentean infestations!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-02-26 22:13:31 UTC
Actually, the major reason why Gallentean ships often practice a curving aesthetic is a practical one, and it's the exact same one behind the Amarrian approach - a curved armour plate is more likely to present a deflecting angle - and thus a greater effective thickness - to incoming fire rather than a flat plate perpendicular to the shot.

The fact that this produces a look which is pleasing to the aesthetic traditions of those cultures is a happy bonus.

That being said, the internal primary structural components of a Vexor-class do form a helix, like a shell. It's a very efficient load-distributing and impact-absorbing structure.

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Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2014-02-27 01:43:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Saya Ishikari
Stitcher wrote:
Actually, the major reason why Gallentean ships often practice a curving aesthetic is a practical one, and it's the exact same one behind the Amarrian approach - a curved armour plate is more likely to present a deflecting angle - and thus a greater effective thickness - to incoming fire rather than a flat plate perpendicular to the shot.

The fact that this produces a look which is pleasing to the aesthetic traditions of those cultures is a happy bonus.

That being said, the internal primary structural components of a Vexor-class do form a helix, like a shell. It's a very efficient load-distributing and impact-absorbing structure.

This pretty much sums up what I would have to say. Personally, I would consider the Incursus, Vexor, Myrmidon, and Megathron to be designs well suited for study. A classical design, the Dominix, is the oldest I know of, having been largely unchanged in it's basic form since the first Caldari-Gallente war, with the Moros following not long thereafter.

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Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
#5 - 2014-02-27 02:00:05 UTC
I happen to be a researcher on the topic. My research & development corporation, Minerva Technologies, currently focuses on Gallente Technology, military ships included. Although I usually charge for my expertise (It's how I currently make my bread), I may be willing to help a fellow scientist in the matter.

However, could you be more specific as to which kind of technical help concerning Gallente designs are you looking for?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-02-27 11:02:42 UTC
I'd be happy to contribute to this research project if I could get some form of guarantee it wouldn't be used against the Federation.

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Andreus Ixiris > ...

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Julius Cabeki
Huola Industrial Development
#7 - 2014-02-28 15:30:09 UTC
Thank you for your insightful posts.

I'm going to start my study from general design philosophy before testing individuals ships.

Gallente ships in general tend to have plenty of firepower compared to their tank. In the marketing material of Myrmidon the stated reason is the hotheadness of Gallente pilots. It is explained in more serious literature as a way to obtain swift victories. Is it also connected to shifting voter preferences and changing governments?

I haven't found an eplanation for the preference of magnetometric sensors and fusion reactors. Are they used in Gallente ships because of historical reasons or are there technical reasons for their popularity?

My thesis will be published so fears or hopes that it could be used against the Federation are not baseless but the popularity of cyber knight literature is rather limited outside Khanid Kingdom.
Pontianak Sythaeryn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-02-28 15:57:03 UTC
Julius Cabeki wrote:
My thesis will be published so fears or hopes that it could be used against the Federation are not baseless but the popularity of cyber knight literature is rather limited outside Khanid Kingdom.


This sounds like a pretty good reason to not tell you anything. I suggest other Gallente heed this before divulging anything about our ship design methods. I realize anybody can get a copy of the blueprints and produce our ships, but the particulars of the inner-workings and methodologies are a well kept secret.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-02-28 16:18:14 UTC
I dont see the security concern. All the Empires have their ships and blueprints availible for purchase. Im sure everyone knows how to counter each other's ships already.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2014-02-28 16:33:29 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I dont see the security concern. All the Empires have their ships and blueprints availible for purchase. Im sure everyone knows how to counter each other's ships already.


I find tracking disruptors and light missiles work just fine. Not sure how understanding the finer points of reactor physics will affect that.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#11 - 2014-02-28 20:22:26 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I dont see the security concern. All the Empires have their ships and blueprints availible for purchase. Im sure everyone knows how to counter each other's ships already.


I find tracking disruptors and light missiles work just fine. Not sure how understanding the finer points of reactor physics will affect that.

Some people just enjoy getting fancy with there killing, I guess.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Pontianak Sythaeryn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-02-28 20:40:11 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Some people just enjoy getting fancy with there killing, I guess.


All just personal preference. Overwhelming people with drones combined with live fire seems mighty effective to me.
Kale Silence
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-02-28 21:07:22 UTC
Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Some people just enjoy getting fancy with there killing, I guess.


All just personal preference. Overwhelming people with drones combined with live fire seems mighty effective to me.


It's worked for me so far. I <3 my Vexor!! But yea the armor is really effective due to its more round design... I'm guessing. That would make sense. Most Mitari or Caldari ships have straight lines in their ship designs, and they're more shield based.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#14 - 2014-02-28 21:34:10 UTC
Kale Silence wrote:
Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Some people just enjoy getting fancy with there killing, I guess.


All just personal preference. Overwhelming people with drones combined with live fire seems mighty effective to me.


It's worked for me so far. I <3 my Vexor!! But yea the armor is really effective due to its more round design... I'm guessing. That would make sense. Most Mitari or Caldari ships have straight lines in their ship designs, and they're more shield based.

I prefer my navy Exec. Long range guns with enough drones to make it a chore to get in close. Combined that with my friends drone heavy loadout and we make a formidable team.... At least I think we do, haven't met to many people willing to mess with two navy cruisers without backup.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2014-02-28 23:07:57 UTC
Who flies without backup?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#16 - 2014-02-28 23:49:26 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Who flies without backup?

I know a few people. They eather fly cloaked, or they have balls bigger than their brains....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
#17 - 2014-03-01 03:22:07 UTC
Another very organic design that has not been mentioned yet is that of the new Navitas frigate. The scale-like armor and overall design really resembles a fish-like creature, something that in my opinion matches the common use of the ship. But I'm not sure if that's relevant.

And I endorse the statement that there's no need to worry about security. Ship blueprints are no longer industrial secrets, and if any of us worked at the actual design of those blueprints, they wouldn't be allowed nor willing to disclose anything here.
Julius Cabeki
Huola Industrial Development
#18 - 2014-03-02 18:35:13 UTC
Any research about military tactics or equipment tend to lead to long discussions with authorities about what could be published. I had to negotiate with sensors to get a few articles about Amarrian ships published and I expect to meet overly curious Fed Intel agents while doing research in Gallente space.

I might add Navitas to my research because its counterpart Inquisitioner is the most fish-like design in Amarr ship line up. The similarity of their desing might warrant a comparison despite low popularity of logistics frigates.

The notion about shield tanked ships having straight lines is certainly interesting. Straight lines make it easier to fit missile systems. The engineers of Khanid Innovations wrote about difficulties they had while fitting missile systems to rounded hulls of Vengeance and Sacrilege.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-03-02 18:46:49 UTC
If you are serious about understanding the incredible technology of the Gallente, I highly suggest contacting Creodron with your research project. Creodron believes that science should not be divided by politics and borders. That the collaborative work between the greatest minds can only be good for the cluster.

If you are truly neutral both in business and politically regarding your research, Creodron might allow you access to their facilities.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#20 - 2014-03-03 00:00:40 UTC
Did someone mention fish?

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

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