Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They still are shield tanked with missiles and drones. It's the same direction but with a new method that still uses all of those same skills in pretty much the same ways. Yes the Ham Gila/Torp RS/Rocket Worm will suffer range challenges, at the same time their peak damage output would go up (assuming the changes get carried upwards). In the case of sentries your instant damage goes up as well.

I only made one assumption, which is the same one you made in your complaint.


Edit: Since you altered the post I wanted to point out sustained DPS is the same, just a longer initial delay. Also the change increases DPS, not decreases it (50% kin/therm boost on top of that extra .5 drone).

Maybe if its torpedo viability weren't getting so significantly nerfed. I've never had a problem managing my drones and sentries. Guristas are getting **** on for .5 more of a drone and niched application of DPS.

Why do they need to remove anything from Guristas? Pull your heads out of your assholes, devs.

He is against almost 900dps with no implants, rigs, or damage modules...

"Torpedo viability"? It's non-existent as is even with the missile velocity bonus. Torpedoes cannot apply 100% of their damage without webs, so range is somewhat moot at this point.

My first thought is "Cyno Bait", but I guess that's just me.

First of all the positive feedback:

Succubus: I like the fact that the damage modifier is roled into the role bonus instead of the split between the Caldari and role bonus. It makes more sense to me this way. The new Slot allocation 3 H 4M 3L i think is an improvement as well.
The speed and sig radius changes are nice.

Cruor: I like the destinction of the web bonus compared to the daredevil.

Worm: The increase in drone bay capacity to me always felt like a redundant bonus, i'm glad this one is changed.

Daredevil + Dramiel: I like the fact that they do not get nerfed.

However i do have my concerns with a few of these ships.

Succubus: The Succubus is still going to be abysmally poor for pvp compared to the other faction ships. Compare it to the Cruor, and you get roughly the same dps, slightly higher damage projection, at the loss of insane neut and web bonuses. To the Worm you have a lot less dps, and range, but more importantly alpha, the drones of a worm will be able to do an alpha of over 900 damage while i has the capability of fitting and flying long ranged and completly disrupt your turret range. The increased speed might help catching up, but if its a mwd worm you probably still won't catch up. It is worse in tackling and dps than the Daredevil and lacks the versatility of the dronebay of the Dramiel.

Although you can make a nice kiteing low sig ship out of the succubus, you don't want to spend the price of a faction frigate, for the role that a destroyer can do better.

The Cruor: I think this one is getting overbuffed. with a added drone bay, and extra web range, this will be like a Hyena, but then with more dps, and neut bonuses vs lower web range. Only specialized fleets will require the Hyena, in most cases the cruor will be better due to its flexibility. I don't think the Cruor will outperform the Sentinel, but it will definatly outshine the Dragoon. All in all it feels slightly TO good

Worm: Im concerned of the drone alpha damage it can deliver. The versatility of this one is really good, but i think it will emphasize even stronger how powerfull a drone or missile ship is against a gunship if you use range and a tracking disruptor.

Conclusion:

Really strong improvements on the Cruor and Worm, definatly more then pvp worthy now. I don't think the Succubus is where it needs to be. It lacks the flexibilty of the other faction frigates. Its a one trick pony with no fallbacks or diversity. With a speed thats only marginally faster then a dramiel with Afterburner, and significantly lower then with a mwd i don't think this bonus is going to help the succubus.

Both the Rattler and it's drones would be substantially harder to kill than the NDomi and it's drones. Ogres with that bonus would have insane eHP.

That said until we see what they do with the actual hull stats it is hard to argue bonuses.

I think I would argue that the unique utility of the vindicator, Machariel and bhaalgorn factor strongly in the price. They are truly dangerous to engage because once you have engaged the option to rethink is denied you (let's assume for now that a well-flown vindicator will have overheated faction webs and a fleet booster). Getting within 30km of a bhaalgorn results in entrapment through neuts and long webs, and a Machariel will dictate range and disengagement options unless you happen to land on it at zero and scram it.

A Rattlesnake on the other hand can be engaged safely by a smaller ship without committing to the fight. The rattlesnake has no way of punishing you by forcing you to stay if you decide it's too big a target. I think potential purchasers of the RS sense this and it puts them off.

It certainly encourages me to engage one every time I see one. Why not? I can always leave if it is cyno-fitted.

I reiterate, the new rattlesnake will need something scary if it is to be desirable and hold its place among its peers. In my view, an ECM strength bonus would be the correct way to go since it fits with Guristas NPC tactics. Maybe allow its ECM modules to defeat even a marauder in bastion mode, or a carrier in triage?

That would make it worth considering.

ECM bonus would give us a 3rd ECM BS... Do we really need a third?