Intergalactic Summit

You thought many other things too, including public lies about me.

Caldari are not "against" slavery, we aren't filthy anti-slavery freaks like gallenteans.
We don't practice slavery ourselves, and we have laws, prohibiting usage or keeping of slaves in the State. But we aren't fighting slavery and don't judge against it in territories outside of jurisdiction of corporate laws.

Slavery has failed, and Empress Jamyl's emancipation of many slaves in the Empire suggest that even the Amarr are starting to get the idea that slavery doesn't work.

Let it be reminded there is nothing wrong with trying to peacefully convert someone to your religious beliefs. If someone finds you convincing and is converting through their own free will, then that's wonderful. If it doesn't work out, don't pull out the chains and whips, try again or try someone else.

Look at the Gallente for instance. We are the master's at cultural warfare. All current member states of the Federation joined without being coerced, forced, or threatened. We flew our diplomats to their home, learned their culture, and then showed them how that culture can be improved through joining us. And with the exception of the Caldari, it has worked wonderfully.

Slavery has failed. Most of the time it does not bring the subjugated closer to God (assuming he exists) and is completely outdated as a work force. Anything a slave is forced to do can be done with drones. Just get rid of it already! Yes, there are success stories, some of them quite incredible and beautiful. But I'm sure that for every slave that beneffited from their enslavement, there are a hundred thousand others who did not, if not more.

The majority of slaves and former slaves have embraced God. Most of us who were emancipated maintain our faith. It has not failed.

Better. And. Better. No, no, it can't be that beautiful. Tell us, sweetie, what does "passive-aggressive" mean?

There is no misunderstanding, Lady Rella, he lacks the foresight to see that his view of 'offerings of reason' are equivalent to nothing more than appeasement.

To reason about the Amarrian system of slavery is the same as trying to reason with a beast to release it's prey.

As to your discussion with Ms. Noh; stay strong for truth is on your side.

Do you? You shouldn't demand proof while making empty claims yourself. I don't think your "1 faithful out of every 100,000 slaves" comment is based on much fact.

There are more Matari in the Empire than in the Republic. I believe the commonly given number is a third of all Minmatar are in the Empire, compared to a quarter in the Republic. That's about 11 trillion total in the Empire, not including the Mandate, according to a recent MIO census. 200 billion of those are free citizens. By that same census, 98% of people in the Empire actively practice the faith.

Even many former slaves who have moved to the Republic continue to follow the faith. You need only look at news reports from the years immediately following the emancipation which talk about violence between groups over these beliefs. And at least one of the tribal chiefs is of the faith.

And you'd have won if you kept your hnolku mouth shut.

My 1 out of 100,000 comment was intended not to be taken as fact, but as a hyperbolic expression to sum up my thoughts on the issue. Yes, slavery works for some, but for most it does not.

1/3rd is not a majority of people. Also, I highly doubt a slave would tell someone they don't follow the faith with their holder watching over them. That 98% statistic is probably not accurate in this context. If 98% of the entire population is actually following the faith, then why are we even talking about this? I'd imagine if virtually every slave was truly practicing the faith, there would have been no rebellion.

Put yourself in the shoes of a slave during the census and assume you did not actually believe the faith. Would you say that you didn't and risk getting punished, or would you say you did and avoid punishment and possibly even earn a reward? Basic survival instinct will compel most to say the latter.

Also, who's to say some slaves are even allowed to respond to the census? I'd imagine it would be more controlling and certainly more efficient for a holder to file the census report himself and have the data show what he wants to be accurate, or believes to be accurate. And again, basic survival instinct comes into play too. Do you really think a holder would risk tarnishing his reputation by saying a number of his slaves don't follow the faith he has been trying so hard to teach them?

I like how you used "many" in your third paragraph instead of "most". In which case, I would have to agree.

Not sure whether I'm wasting breath here, but I'll bite.

Ms. Rella, you did not directly advocate war or genocide which makes me wonder why you think I was refering to you, when infact I was referring to Mr. Vorpalstar's comment about " winning freedom for an oppressed people by burning the citidels and cities of a debased society to the ground."

Anyways, your original statement was full of incomplete truths, something I quickly addressed and you ignored. Despite this, you're asking the wrong questions. As for me explaining the ways in which the Amarr, their religion, and culture are misunderstood you need only read the last few pages of 'The Two and a Half Minutes Hate: Birth of a Ritual' to see what I mean. I'm not going to repeat myself here but I'll make it easy for you.

Do feel free to return and have a real discussion, Ms. Rella.


As for Mr. Vorpalstar, I don't really know what to say to you. This might help though:

Read.

I don't defend slavery nor do I sugarcoat it. Slavery has the potential to be one of the ugliest things in a Man's life, though this may not always be the case. Please find a quote where I say slavery is fine and dandy with me, or one where I state that it shouldn't be abolished. I'll help you-don't waste your time because you won't find one.

I don't defend slavery, I do my own work against it, no matter how small in the grand picture it may be. But I defend people, and it's people like you they need protection from. You would commit acts of genocide against a nation of trilions, the same kind of genocide pundits tout as their causus belli, because you don't like them.

Don't you ever insult me again.

-Eran

When one considers the descendents of those slaves who are enlightened, then it's a number approaching 100%