Ships & Modules

Hi guys,

I just started playing Eve and was wondering something.

I'm using a Rifter now and like it quite abit. I was wondering if it would be worth training frigates to lvl V and then get an assault ship.

OR

Should i go on to cruisers.

Sorry, still quite new to all this. Enjoying the game thoroughly :)

Most important question to yourself, can you afford to loose it?

Personaly I would tend to step up to cruisers and battle cruisers while learning your "Core" and "Defence" Certificates, it will increase your income from missions and then make the step to Assault ships.

It's a little more friendly, remember T2 ships aren't worth insuring.

Than again if you can answer the first question with yes, go for what you like the most.

If your new going bigger is normally better. T2 require some skills to be at 5 where you can spend that long time from 4-5 on several core skills. Also as pointed out the ISK issue. Bigger (with core skills) = alot more isk/hour which you can use to later buy T2 frigs.

What really matters is what you plan to do and how you plan to do it, If you want to do PvP and have the ISK to fund it than by all means go T2 frigs off the bat. If you are going to be running missions to fill your wallet and supply income for PvP down the line than going T2 is a poor choice as you can be running LV3 missions in the time it takes to properly train for a T2 Frig which will still put you in LV1 missions. If you get enough SP you may one day do LV2 missions in T2 Frigs but by this time you can be rocking LV4 which have BS's in them that payout 500k-1.5mil a pop.

As mentioned T2 frigs are not worth insuring. Some will actully cost you isk on the incress payout making you a fool for doing so. at 20M+ a frig that gets pricy so unless you got the ISK to lose alot of T2 frigs in PvP go bigger for now.

Also unless you are rich I suggest PvPing in T1s to start you will probaly lose your ship either way and it is best to get your experiance on cheeper ships.

That being said you shouldn't spend your time grinding for ISK as the fun in the game will soon fade, but it is always nice to be able to run 1 Lv4 mission and buy 1-2 fitted T2 frigs or a BC than grinding for hours trying to replace your loses.

If your new going bigger is normally better. T2 require some skills to be at 5 where you can spend that long time from 4-5 on several core skills. Also as pointed out the ISK issue. Bigger (with core skills) = alot more isk/hour which you can use to later buy T2 frigs.

What really matters is what you plan to do and how you plan to do it, If you want to do PvP and have the ISK to fund it than by all means go T2 frigs off the bat. If you are going to be running missions to fill your wallet and supply income for PvP down the line than going T2 is a poor choice as you can be running LV3 missions in the time it takes to properly train for a T2 Frig which will still put you in LV1 missions. If you get enough SP you may one day do LV2 missions in T2 Frigs but by this time you can be rocking LV4 which have BS's in them that payout 500k-1.5mil a pop.

As mentioned T2 frigs are not worth insuring. Some will actully cost you isk on the incress payout making you a fool for doing so. at 20M+ a frig that gets pricy so unless you got the ISK to lose alot of T2 frigs in PvP go bigger for now.

Also unless you are rich I suggest PvPing in T1s to start you will probaly lose your ship either way and it is best to get your experiance on cheeper ships.

That being said you shouldn't spend your time grinding for ISK as the fun in the game will soon fade, but it is always nice to be able to run 1 Lv4 mission and buy 1-2 fitted T2 frigs or a BC than grinding for hours trying to replace your loses.

@Schmata : I hear what you're saying, but its slighty hard to not get attached when you're painstakingly looking at battleclinic to outfit and then travelling all over the universe to pick up stuff for your (my) beloved ship. Frankly the thought of being blowed up scares me. And i'm still new so the thought of all those precious precious ISKs going up in (virtual)smoke saddens me.[/quote]

Big mistake here. I did it myself as a new player you want the best and greatest and what you end up with is 1.5mil a pop mods on a 23,000isk ship. It took me forever to get into a cruiser because I never had saved enough isk but once I was there and saw the diffrance from 1 to 2 I realized my error. Stick with lower end items on the smaller ships until you have the monny to pay for them with ease is my advice. THe insurance on ships takes the sting out of losing one but not when your fitting is over 100x the cost of the ship.

Heh, I really hope you won't change your opinion any time soon :)

Great thing about Eve for a casual player like me is that even when you don't play your skills are going up as long as you remember to put something in your queue. More PG here, 2% more dmg there and when you finally have time to log in and play your nimble frig dies after 20 seconds not 5 like before :)

Just some random tips, that assume you do missions just as a stepping stone to real EvE, which is PvP.

1) racial frigate and cruiser skills are two of the best skills to take to level V. Your opponents will have frigate and cruiser V if flying T1 ships (and therefore have clear advantage, as the ship bonuses are dependent on the ship skill level), and level V is prerequisite for training T2 ships.

2) do small-scale regional trading in the modules you use for your ships. That means: buy stuff on buy orders (buying region-wide is the cheapest, but also means more hauling), keep what you need and sell the rest in trade hubs for nice, steady profit

3) fitting skills are really important on frigates and cruisers (Engineering, Energy Grid Upgrades, Electronics, Electronics Upgrades, Weapon Upgrades, Advanced Weapon Upgrades, Shield Upgrades), as they dictate how much powergrid and CPU you have available, and how much your modules consume. Best fittings generally require all these at V, except Advanced Weapon Upgrades which is a long train and more commonly left at IV until later.

4) use third party tools like Evemon, pyfa and EFT. They will make the whole skill tree and fitting **** much simpler to get to grips with.

5) learn to pilot manually. Player skill > character skill in EvE combat. You can overcome your low skill and equipment by being a better pilot. Use EFT or ingame show info to see what is your weapon optimal, tracking and your max speed. Zoom out so your ship is just a tiny speck, open the tactical overlayand train perceptual awareness - look where enemies are. Configure your overview to show all the velocities and learn to read them.

6) train Thermodynamics and heat **** when things get hot. Don't be afraid to take your ship to hull, pushing things to the edge is not only incredibly fun, but will also teach you your limits.

7) forget "cap stability", learn to manage your cap instead.

You can do lots of stuff in a T1 fit cruiser (I made my first billion doing 4/10s in a Vexor), just don't expect to be able to tank whole rooms at once, and think what you need to shoot first.

And yeah, read stuff. Eve University Wiki, Azual Skolls blog, Rifter Drifter's Rifter Guide are some good starting points.

Fly dangerous o7

General training for a new pve combat pilot should look something like this
Frigate -> basic core skills -> destroyer -> unlock medium size guns/tank mods -> cruiser -> basic drone skills (drones V a must have) -> battlecruiser

after this you can go for either BS or t2 ships/mods.

Every lvl5 on base ships like frigate, cruiser, destroyers, battlecruisers battleships is the pre requisite for some of the best ships out there, plus the real advantages on having these 5's are something you don't want to miss.

Just an opinion, every one wants bigger ships and bigger stuff to pewpew etc but you should consider the option of train every single intell/mem skill first before you train ships/missiles/drones/gunnery.

It's tedious, very long but at the end you'll no longer need to train those for whatever ship you want. This kind of plan looks like 1 year commitment to train stuff that doesn't makes you feel progress in ship type, but the benefits will be there for small and later for bigger stuff. Better fitting options, dps, EHP.

For the meantime, your rifter is a hell of a frigate and everyone wants you has tackler, it's cheap to replace, very often corps give those for free and you will learn very good pvp bases RIGHT NOW using this little beast.

It's also one, if not the best T1 frigate with witch you can clean completely lvl1 missions to lvl3, you'll see how better you'll be at each new lvl5 support skill you'll get.

Keep training, rating is fine to make iskies and that little beast is just awesome to blow small faction rats in 0.5/.6 belts that leave you some excellent loot you can sell easily and for a lot of isk.
Exploring and clean small sites you can get on your inboard scanner is also fine and brings you plenty of iskies.

Then you can always ask "need tackler someone?" -you'll have to refuse demands, you can't imagine yet how important and asked small cheap throwaway tackle ships are.

Keep rolling and, welcome to Eve

Succinct and good advice.

The new destroyers should be murder on some level 2s since the rof reduction is removed. Some level 2s with noobish skills you will need a cruiser for though. By the time you have trained into a BC you should be able to do level 3s. That is a good place to take stock of where you are and what you want to do.