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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#21 - 2014-02-26 11:51:41 UTC
Lyelle Wolf wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Not sure if we're being elaborately trolled, or if the stars aligned against the OP for some obscure mechanic interaction.


I'm going with troll. After a look at some killboards. The last loss he shows is back on 2013-10-24 in Dodixie.


Again, OP never stated that he lost his ship and even stated in a later post, about two or three down, that they never killed him.

//LW




OP is clearly an informed source, though, judging by the fact his corporation join TEST and he wasn't even smart enough to track that happening.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-02-26 12:29:41 UTC
This shouldn't actually happen when you're in space, no?

Usually, when a person joins a corp in space with a WT right next to him, the WT doesn't even see them as flashy red and that's petitionable. Now you say you where in space and they suddenly turned into WTs, without you going through a session change. Sounds rather weird to me...

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Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#23 - 2014-02-26 13:57:04 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
This shouldn't actually happen when you're in space, no?

Usually, when a person joins a corp in space with a WT right next to him, the WT doesn't even see them as flashy red and that's petitionable. Now you say you where in space and they suddenly turned into WTs, without you going through a session change. Sounds rather weird to me...

You cant join a corp while in space, you have to dock to accept the final part of the application.

As for instant wardecs;
When a corp joins an alliance while said corp is at war no message regarding the war is sent out to the alliance. 24 hours after joining the alliance the corporation will actually transfer into the alliance upon which the wardec instantly becomes active and a mail is sent out.

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E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#24 - 2014-02-26 14:06:12 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I was sitting in space in highsec when my mail icon flashed at the same time as some ships on my overview went red, and they started shooting at me. I check the mail, and they wardecced my alliance and were able to shoot immediately without the 24 hour notice.

How is this possible?

Could have been a corp joined and you inherited their wardec? I am not that familar with wardec mechanics.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#25 - 2014-02-26 14:47:02 UTC
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:
I too have wondered about the 24 hour time before a war dec goes into effect. And then again I have always thought if you got wardecced it should be immediate, not dragging on like it does. My line of thought on this that instead of waiting around that if you or I were wardecced, then we should have the rights to immediately engage the war deccing corp. or alliance But as it stands now a 24 waiting period is..well...required.

That's plenty of time for a corp/alliance to disband and reorganize under a different name/banner. Just for my corp alone I can't afford the price to actually war dec anyone and I can care less, BUT in the same process due to the size of my corp alone would hardly be worth the costs involved.Pirate


If there was instant war decs it would become highly abused and there would be a lot more people in npc corps

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#26 - 2014-02-26 14:50:49 UTC
And no one in TEST knew the answer to this?

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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#27 - 2014-02-26 16:03:23 UTC
So I can find a blingy ship running a mission, come alongside him with a few buddies, then if the conditions are right, dec him immediately and blow him up?

Neat!

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#28 - 2014-02-26 16:30:19 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
So I can find a blingy ship running a mission, come alongside him with a few buddies, then if the conditions are right, dec him immediately and blow him up?

Neat!


I wouldn't rely on every alliance leadership to be as good as TEST's.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#29 - 2014-02-26 16:40:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
People keep missing the FACTS the OP himself realised and verified in this thread;

A corp that was already wardecced joined his alliance and such the alliance as a whole was instantly pulled into that war.
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#30 - 2014-02-26 16:56:35 UTC
The color of flashy ships [WT, suspect etc] is dependent on your Overview settings...

Thank me later :D
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#31 - 2014-02-26 16:57:51 UTC
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
The color of flashy ships [WT, suspect etc] is dependent on your Overview settings...

yeah this too. You can set it to whatever you want.

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TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#32 - 2014-02-26 17:45:29 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
The color of flashy ships [WT, suspect etc] is dependent on your Overview settings...

yeah this too. You can set it to whatever you want.

Last i checked, mauve was not an option.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-02-26 17:53:07 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
So I can find a blingy ship running a mission, come alongside him with a few buddies, then if the conditions are right, dec him immediately and blow him up?

Neat!


You only have to find a corp already at war with the target and have that corp join your alliance I guess. Now how much trouble pulling that off is I have no idea.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2014-02-26 18:14:03 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
So I can find a blingy ship running a mission, come alongside him with a few buddies, then if the conditions are right, dec him immediately and blow him up?

Neat!


You only have to find a corp already at war with the target and have that corp join your alliance I guess. Now how much trouble pulling that off is I have no idea.


It takes 24 hours before a corp is actually accepted into an alliance.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2014-02-26 18:36:56 UTC
Sounds like the Wardec equivelant of a hotdrop. Surround the target, join an alliance at war with target and kill target. Or is that not how it works?

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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2014-02-26 18:39:13 UTC
OP,

A Good Alliance CEO or an Alliance officer should have done these steps & you would have known what was going on.

First, the Alliance leadership would know when the new corp had applied.

Note: Corp has to wait 24 hours after applying to Alliance to be accepted.

Second, the Alliance leadership would have known if said corp had any wardec(s).

Third & this is most important,

Alliance leadership should have sent out a mail to the alliance at the time the Corp applied to the Alliance, stating that within 24 hours there will be instant wardec(s) affecting the Alliance.

Note: Due to poor Alliance leadership, what happened to you will keep happening.

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Vyl Vit
#37 - 2014-02-26 18:50:08 UTC
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:
I too have wondered about the 24 hour time before a war dec goes into effect. And then again I have always thought if you got wardecced it should be immediate, not dragging on like it does. My line of thought on this that instead of waiting around that if you or I were wardecced, then we should have the rights to immediately engage the war deccing corp. or alliance But as it stands now a 24 waiting period is..well...required.

That's plenty of time for a corp/alliance to disband and reorganize under a different name/banner. Just for my corp alone I can't afford the price to actually war dec anyone and I can care less, BUT in the same process due to the size of my corp alone would hardly be worth the costs involved.Pirate

How come I read this as - "I want to insta-wardec my gank targets so I won't get Concorded..."?

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-02-26 23:39:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Batelle wrote:
And no one in TEST knew the answer to this?

I generally don't get good answers from TEST. It comes as no surprise to me, I've been with TEST quite a bit.

Apparently what happened is a corp joined TEST with a wardec and I wasn't notified that it was about to happen. I think there should be some sort of grace period, if even just 5 minutes. I was lucky to be at station when it happened. Now I'm not sure how much the system is broken and how much to blame on my alliance. I know they seem to love being in wars and have an apathy about what happens in them. If anyone other than me in TEST was the least bit interested in getting back at Marmite, we would have them running with their tail between their legs; but alas it's just me and the occasional newbro who got ganked because he didn't read all of the join-up letters.

So basically what Kyt Thrace said.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#39 - 2014-02-27 02:05:28 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
If anyone other than me in TEST was the least bit interested in getting back at Marmite, we would have them running with their tail between their legs


No, you wouldn't. They'd just make themselves uncatchable (cloaked, safespot while paying attention) till you get bored and slowly start to disperse, then they'll find the singled out guy and go for him. You can't "force" groups like that with sheer numbers.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-02-27 02:19:13 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
No, you wouldn't.

You overestimate their skill. I see them making rookie mistakes on a regular basis almost constantly. All you gotta do is plan a sneak attack on them - get a fleet in instalock ships and all undock at once after they attack the bait ship. Might not get em all but will easily get one or two, and what they would lose out of that is probably more hull value than the entire cost of the ships going against them.

Do that on a regular basis and they will think twice about attacking someone who looks vulnerable. They shot any war target that moves because nobody stands up to them. It's a piece of cake really. All it takes is a bit of teamwork.

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Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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