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Rattlesnake - a worthwhile investment?
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Georgia Aguilar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-02-10 11:46:44 UTC
The Omnidirectional change hit the rattlers hard. Prices are at, or close to, and all time low (within recent history). The ship was already at the low end of the power curve among Pirate BS, and the omni change (nerf) did nothing to help.

BUT: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4193449#post4193449

So among all Pirate BS, the Rattlesnake is the least expensive one and, according to CCP, the least powerfull one (which they intend to address).

Now, with all investments, this is highly speculative. When and how CCP will address the rattlers. Will the "fix" actually make them more useful? etc. What are the thoughts of the collective here? What price point do you see possible?


G.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2014-02-10 15:41:16 UTC
I'm expecting for or hoping for a complete drone rewrite within the next 3 expansions, and the rattler can't really be valued much lower than it is already.

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Aliventi
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#3 - 2014-02-10 21:25:56 UTC
There isn't anything remarkable about the rattlesnake. It, and all of the Gurristas ships, do too many things poorly. They are trying to do missiles and drones with one of the two ship bonuses taken up by the the shield resist bonus. It just doesn't work. Something has to go.

Also, there is nothing that makes the Gurristas ships "special". Blood Raiders have great neuting amount. Serpentis have the strongest webs. Angel ships are fast with great falloff. Sansha are the only shield laser ships and they kick out crazy DPS. Gurristas have nothing that makes them special.

It would be nice if CCP were to throw out Gurristas in the current form and make them the only shield drone ships in game. Gurristas would then parallel the Sansha which are the only shield laser ships in game. Imagine a wicked awesome shield Domi. The only issue is that doesn't really work as rats don't use drones. The actual rats would have to not function like the player ships. Which is fine. it will just mess with the lore/immersion a little.

So yes. Pretty much anything CCP does at this point will make it better. CCP could make it slightly better or CCP could make it the most powerful pirate BS in the game. It just depends on what they do. At this point your guess is as good as mine.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2014-02-12 19:18:24 UTC
Georgia Aguilar wrote:
The Omnidirectional change hit the rattlers hard. Prices are at, or close to, and all time low (within recent history). The ship was already at the low end of the power curve among Pirate BS, and the omni change (nerf) did nothing to help.

BUT: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4193449#post4193449

So among all Pirate BS, the Rattlesnake is the least expensive one and, according to CCP, the least powerfull one (which they intend to address).

Now, with all investments, this is highly speculative. When and how CCP will address the rattlers. Will the "fix" actually make them more useful? etc. What are the thoughts of the collective here? What price point do you see possible?


G.


thought about the same thing, it is one of the best looking ships, people underestimate that, if it gets a buff, it sure goes up... I would buy into it if I had some coin... I also think, typhoon fleet is underpriced as well as the gnosis, you might have a look at those as well...

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#5 - 2014-02-18 10:59:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
Lets just say that I've gone fairly deep on these. My collection of Rattlesnake BPCs is now more than one fifth of my total wealth.

Hell, I mortgaged some of them to buy more of them.

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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#6 - 2014-02-18 14:33:14 UTC
I'll toss a few hundred billion or so and see if it pans out.

Expected profits?

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Ninder
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-02-18 14:54:37 UTC
You may as well just ask "Are CCP going to buff the rattlesnake anytime soon"?

They probably will at some stage, but the question is when.
You could be waiting years :P
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#8 - 2014-02-18 22:19:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
Erotica 1 wrote:
I'll toss a few hundred billion or so and see if it pans out.

Expected profits?



Let's just say I bought a bunch (of BPCs not hulls) at 240m and under last night, and do not intend to sell under 400m.

Not sure if I will be holding them weeks or months, but I do not see them going anywhere but up, except maybe for a small while.

I considered buying hulls but decided the BPCs are slightly cheaper and are much easier to transport.


There's still a dozen or two BPCs around the 250m mark, and a good number of hulls at around 390m (IIRC build cost is ~125m).

Edit: Correction, it's 147m build cost. And my relatively small investment in this market and/or other factors have pushed the hull price up to 410m.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#9 - 2014-02-26 06:27:01 UTC
...do you hear that?

That's the sound of a cat getting let out of a bag.

RS hulls up 75 million ISK in seven hours.

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Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#10 - 2014-02-26 10:10:28 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
...do you hear that?

That's the sound of a cat getting let out of a bag.

RS hulls up 75 million ISK in seven hours.


Seems one or two people bought out the market and relisted at a higher price.
However, buy orders are still below 400M for now.

Considering that some (other ?) people built up a sizable stock over the recent weeks (wish I could toss "a few 100 Bn or so", like Ero Cool), it'll be interesting to see whether we'll see someone trying to take advantage of the higher price now or if everyone will wait for even higher prices.

If the RS is changed to a "two drone" boat (with a very high bonus as CCP Rise hinted at) and if that also apllies to sentries (and that's a very big "if") then the RS could be used to circumvent the coming limitations to drone assist which could make the RS very interesting as a doctrine ship which again might provide high demand and thus high prices. I'd expect to see prices at least around 600M or even higher then. Shocked
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#11 - 2014-02-26 10:24:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
Myriad Blaze wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
...do you hear that?

That's the sound of a cat getting let out of a bag.

RS hulls up 75 million ISK in seven hours.


Seems one or two people bought out the market and relisted at a higher price.
However, buy orders are still below 400M for now.

Considering that some (other ?) people built up a sizable stock over the recent weeks (wish I could toss "a few 100 Bn or so", like Ero Cool), it'll be interesting to see whether we'll see someone trying to take advantage of the higher price now or if everyone will wait for even higher prices.

If the RS is changed to a "two drone" boat (with a very high bonus as CCP Rise hinted at) and if that also apllies to sentries (and that's a very big "if") then the RS could be used to circumvent the coming limitations to drone assist which could make the RS very interesting as a doctrine ship which again might provide high demand and thus high prices. I'd expect to see prices at least around 600M or even higher then. Shocked



Ero actually didn't buy up Rattlesnakes, she was trolling there. I was telling her to buy them, however.

There are *no* BPCs on buyout contracts in empire at realistic prices at the moment. Jita sell price for the built hull is now ~480m and there are less for sale than there were before (I don't think this is much of a relisting; people seem to be doing a 'buy and hold').

As for the future use of the hull - pirate BSes can't be realistically used in blob fights as the universe does not produce enough of them to meet that sort of demand. AFAIK, no entity larger than Rooks and Kings uses pirate battleships as the centrepiece of fleets.

I see it as one of the premier PvE boats of the future, with some PvP use in small to medium gangs and particularly by empire mercs and wormholers. Of course the stats given to it may not support this, but even if it becomes a 'like a present Dominix but better' it won't be in any large alliance fleet doctrines any time soon.


Edit: For what it's worth, I am holding my stockpile. I'm not as deeply invested as many others as I don't have their capital, but I am holding twenty BPCs, a quarter of my wealth.

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Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#12 - 2014-02-26 10:56:55 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:

[...] Jita sell price for the built hull is now ~480m and there are less for sale than there were before (I don't think this is much of a relisting; people seem to be doing a 'buy and hold').

There are two sell orders, one with 10, the other with 11 ships, which I had in mind. I only had time for quick glance this morning and I thought these were fresh sell orders - I might be completely wrong on this, though.


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As for the future use of the hull - pirate BSes can't be realistically used in blob fights as the universe does not produce enough of them to meet that sort of demand. AFAIK, no entity larger than Rooks and Kings uses pirate battleships as the centrepiece of fleets.

I see it as one of the premier PvE boats of the future, with some PvP use in small to medium gangs and particularly by empire mercs and wormholers. Of course the stats given to it may not support this, but even if it becomes a 'like a present Dominix but better' it won't be in any large alliance fleet doctrines any time soon.

Yeah, you're probably right. I wasn't considering the limited numbers of available ships. But in any case it should be enough to drive demand and prices high enough to make a good profit. Big smile


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Edit: For what it's worth, I am holding my stockpile. I'm not as deeply invested as many others as I don't have their capital, but I am holding twenty BPCs, a quarter of my wealth.

Ditto (at least on the "holding my stockpile" and "not as deeply invested as many others" parts). Cool
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#13 - 2014-02-27 06:01:05 UTC
Personally think the sneak change to escalation timers will be a bigger influence on pirate ship BPC drops.

I have 3 bpc drops from this month I haven't bothered to cart to highsec yet, ie my RS production increased considerably once I got around to testing 'hub' anomolies. If the RS bpc was worth 500m, I'd produce a lot more.

The only thing that will force the RS bpc up to 500m imo would be war in the north, I don't think merely buffing the RS would do it.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-02-28 01:19:11 UTC
i bought a dozen or so a week ago. kinda wish i bought more but weh, whatever.

I should buy an Ishtar.