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The Highest DPS per ISK (including fitting) past 40 km

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stoicfaux
#21 - 2014-02-23 19:36:44 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
308 DPS out to 60km for 9.9M or ~32k isk/dps with T1 ammo.

The drones and missiles work out to 60km. If you need tank, then pop the cloak. The drones are disposable at ~30k each. You can carry more drones for different situations if desired. MWD + Cloak if you need to travel.

edit: The Arbitrator has a 150m3 drone bay gives you flexibility.

If you upgrade the drones, weapons, and weapons mods to T2, then it's 468DPS for ~15.4M for ~33k isk/dps with T1 ammo.

[Arbitrator, New Setup 1 copy 1]
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Ballistic Control System I

10MN Microwarpdrive I
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Heavy Missile Launcher I, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher I, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Prototype Cloaking Device I
[empty high slot]


Hammerhead I x5

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stoicfaux
#22 - 2014-02-23 19:48:33 UTC
While we're at it:
201 dps out to 50km for 2.8M for ~14k isk/dps. (With T2 drones and DDAs it's 307 DPS for 6.5M for ~22k isk/dps.)


[Algos, New Setup 1 copy 1]
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I

1MN Microwarpdrive I
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Prototype Cloaking Device I

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Hobgoblin I x3
Hammerhead I x2

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#23 - 2014-02-23 22:27:32 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-02-24 02:24:36 UTC
From the posts, I think that my favorite at the moment is the Naga, even though the ISK/dps is higher than some others. It can hit cruisers at range hard in the right situations and the dps is high without the cost being very high.

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Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-02-24 02:55:30 UTC
If you like the Naga, you might also take a look at the Oracle. It's price point is similar to the Naga, and it's capable of much higher DPS (900+DPS at 40 km in a full T2 gank fit, w/faction ammo). Also, if not using faction ammo, it has no ongoing ammo cost.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#26 - 2014-02-24 03:25:21 UTC
The difference between the Nado and Naga will be:

Nado Alpha strike. 1st shot is near 10,000 damage
Capless weapons system
Not sure of the Naga fall off, Nado is near 95 km.
Nado is faster
Nado has 1 more bottom slot, for damage mod, tracking mod, damage control, etc.
Nado has selectable damage types

Both should shield tank.
I think the Naga will tank better. It has less *base* HP, but more base in shields and more mid slots.
425's have slightly better tracking

I personally would pick the faster, capless, alpha Nado, as my *all purpose* *cheap DPS* ship.
But I know how I would fit both of these for my taste.
I might even consider stepping the guns down, to 1200's and 350's, for better tracking and faster ROF. Just my style.

The argument can be made, that better tank is worth the investment. These ships basically tank like a cruiser. 100 mil more and you could mount those guns on a BS hull, and tank for 10 times longer. (and get a drone bay)
So 'isk efficiency' has multiple levels of value/meaning.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-02-24 22:54:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrett
If you are considering things in the Attack Battlecruiser cost range, then you should consider the Exequror Navy Issue instead.

The ENI has a double damage bonus. Better gun resolution, faster, agile. Sexy camo pattern. Giantfrakingenginedoohickies on the back. With the difference in gun prices, they should cost the same amount fit (far cheaper if you are an FW character!). You will also have medium guns with much better tracking. Honestly a 4 slot tank on this is overkill, but dems the rules I guess. If you drop an invuln, you can add a tracking computer or target painter for even better damage application. Price approx 108M with fittings.

Optimal Range @ 39,373k with Fed Navy Thorium.

580 dps total @ 40k. 481 gun dps, 99 drone dps unheated

665 dps total @ 40k. 566 gun dps, 99 drone dps with heat.

For ***** and giggles:

With spike, optimal range @ 80k (only 60k targeting range though)

471 dps total @ 60k. 372 Gun dps. 99 drone dps without heat.

537 dps total @ 60k. 438 gun dps. 99 drone dps with heat.

[Exequror Navy Issue, 40km Test]

Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Thorium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Thorium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Thorium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Thorium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Thorium Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

Hobgoblin II x5

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Gary Bell
Therapy.
Brave Collective
#28 - 2014-02-25 20:26:29 UTC
[Vigilant, New Setup 2]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
[empty low slot]

[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II

Garde II x2


FOr ***** and Giggles... 1039Dps Without Implants..
Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-02-26 02:27:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Andy Landen
Gary Bell wrote:
[Vigilant, New Setup 2]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
[empty low slot]

[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II

Garde II x2


FOr ***** and Giggles... 1039Dps Without Implants..

My EFT shows only 699 dps at 18 km optimal. With 43 km optimal (Iridium), the dps sits at 481 (Gardes are 180 dps so DDA doesn't make the most sense). I wonder what the cost works up to here. Maybe 150 mil?
***Correction: 540 w/o and 660 dps with Gardes; 30km for Gardes and 40 km for hybrids.

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Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-02-26 02:30:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Victoria Thorne
Andy Landen wrote:


I wonder what the cost works up to here. Maybe 150 mil?


Vigilant hull is 238 million in Jita, currently.

Edit :Corrected quote format.
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-02-26 19:53:50 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:

My EFT shows only 699 dps at 18 km optimal. With 43 km optimal (Iridium), the dps sits at 481 (Gardes are 180 dps so DDA doesn't make the most sense). I wonder what the cost works up to here. Maybe 150 mil?


All V without drones 733 DPS at 18+23 km with faction antimatter
All V without drones 428 DPS at 43+23 km with faction Iridium


Even when you open the EFT Damage graph you get ~760 DPS at 40km with Faction Antimatter and Drones or 677 without Garde IIs


How old is your EFT? We are at 2.22.1 right now.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#32 - 2014-02-26 20:08:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
DPS/ISK is a pretty simplistic metric.

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Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-02-26 20:12:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrett
Damien White wrote:
Andy Landen wrote:

My EFT shows only 699 dps at 18 km optimal. With 43 km optimal (Iridium), the dps sits at 481 (Gardes are 180 dps so DDA doesn't make the most sense). I wonder what the cost works up to here. Maybe 150 mil?


All V without drones 733 DPS at 18+23 km with faction antimatter
All V without drones 428 DPS at 43+23 km with faction Iridium


Even when you open the EFT Damage graph you get ~760 DPS at 40km with Faction Antimatter and Drones or 677 without Garde IIs


How old is your EFT? We are at 2.22.1 right now.



There is apparently a difference in hybrid damage calculations between EDIT: Pyfa on one side and EFT, Osmium and EveHQ on the other. I dont know which of the two sets is right. Not sure if it is just for 250 rails or what.

EDIT: I had pyfa and eft switched. Sorry. Fixed.

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Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-02-26 20:23:25 UTC
Strange...

But since Pyfa is the only one with this "bug" I would blame it for beeing wrong.


@ Batelle: Yep!

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#35 - 2014-02-26 21:35:26 UTC
Hrett wrote:
Damien White wrote:
Andy Landen wrote:

My EFT shows only 699 dps at 18 km optimal. With 43 km optimal (Iridium), the dps sits at 481 (Gardes are 180 dps so DDA doesn't make the most sense). I wonder what the cost works up to here. Maybe 150 mil?


All V without drones 733 DPS at 18+23 km with faction antimatter
All V without drones 428 DPS at 43+23 km with faction Iridium


Even when you open the EFT Damage graph you get ~760 DPS at 40km with Faction Antimatter and Drones or 677 without Garde IIs


How old is your EFT? We are at 2.22.1 right now.



There is apparently a difference in hybrid damage calculations between EDIT: Pyfa on one side and EFT, Osmium and EveHQ on the other. I dont know which of the two sets is right. Not sure if it is just for 250 rails or what.

EDIT: I had pyfa and eft switched. Sorry. Fixed.



its possible that one is accounting for the possibility of critical hits while the other is not. The result is that at 0% falloff you're actually at like 103% of theoretical dps, with theoretical dps defined as (ammo damage)*(weapon damage modifier) / (cycle time). 100% falloff is slightly under 50% of that theoretical dps.

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Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-02-27 00:18:33 UTC
Damien White wrote:
...
How old is your EFT? We are at 2.22.1 right now.

Ha! 2.19! OMG. You are right. Now I have to re-check everything. Will need a few moments to do that. Sorry guys.

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Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-03-05 18:50:23 UTC
Looking at the T3 BCs, it seems that they really struggle to track frigates without AB/MWD doing even modest transversal. Oracle can push over 650 dps past 75km where the range really helps with tracking frigates (as low as 150 dps with velocity alignment at range).

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