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The End of the Fun

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Vayn Dravix
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-02-26 00:36:39 UTC
Alright I finished the military combat tutorials and now I'm just flying around space doing nothing. What do I do next to further my play style.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#2 - 2014-02-26 00:50:29 UTC  |  Edited by: NightCrawler 85
I would suggest that you do the Sisters of EVE epic arcs.

Edit.
Never mind, your already in a corp Oops

So in that case.. Get involved with the corp activities, even if its just chatting with them while your doing your own thing until you feel comfortable joining whatever they are doing Smile
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2014-02-26 00:53:34 UTC
Do ALL the tutorials. Find out what you like doing.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-02-26 01:12:15 UTC
If you run level 1 missions, being new, you'll make next to no isk. No where near worth the time invested to earn pennies.

You could mine in a venture. That too, is the equivalent of working for pennies.

Hmm, lets see.

I dunno man, efficiency wise, there's really nothing you can do.

I suggest you do what every other new player has to do:

Wait 6 months while skills train and then start farming/playing.

You specified "military" as your playstyle. Well, being new you'll win zero fights.

You just have to wait. Or find people to team up with.
Vayn Dravix
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-02-26 01:13:05 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Do ALL the tutorials. Find out what you like doing.

Kinda just said what I like, combat.
Vayn Dravix
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-02-26 01:18:26 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
If you run level 1 missions, being new, you'll make next to no isk. No where near worth the time invested to earn pennies.

You could mine in a venture. That too, is the equivalent of working for pennies.

Hmm, lets see.

I dunno man, efficiency wise, there's really nothing you can do.

I suggest you do what every other new player has to do:

Wait 6 months while skills train and then start farming/playing.

You specified "military" as your playstyle. Well, being new you'll win zero fights.

You just have to wait. Or find people to team up with.

Thank you I may be able to join up with a friend from Dust to learn the ropes of the game.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-02-26 01:29:11 UTC
Divine is way to pessimistic.

Depending on whether you prefer PvE or PvP, there are two good options for new players:

PvP: suicide tackler. Fit a web, a warp disruptor and an afterburner on a cheap frigate and run around with a small gang, tackling targets for them. You lose a lot of ships, but your friends should replace your cheap frigates from the loot of your targets.
Plus, if they trust you, you can also run as a scout, jumping through gates first to discover gate camps. If you find one you'll probably lose your frigate, but better your cheap frigate then whatever more expensive ships the rest of the gang is flying.

PvE: salvager. Fit 4 tractor beams and 4 salvagers on a destroyer and follow someone doing lvl 4 missions, cleaning the rooms after him. Split the loot. While not exactly a combat role, it does allow you to observe someone doing missions. Be careful to stay far away and always be ready to warp out if you get aggro.

If your corp is useless and you end up being solo, do level 2 missions in a destroyer to learn how to survive in an fragile ship.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-02-26 02:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Vayn Dravix wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Do ALL the tutorials. Find out what you like doing.

Kinda just said what I like, combat.


No, you said you finished the combat tutorial.

That doesn't automatically means you like it.

Do them all.
Do the SoE Epic Arc

You are in a corp....do corp stuff.

You are doing the ancient old "Help, spoon feed me with content in a sandbox" thread.

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-02-26 04:45:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
Divine Entervention wrote:
.............. find people to team up with.


About the only thing he got right. There's plenty of room for new players in combat. Every fleet needs fast ships to scout and grab targets. If you don't have the skill points or the experience to win fights by yourself, join a group where you can be useful and gain that experience. There's a lot to learn for a new pilot and skill points are not the only barrier you'll come up against.

Good options for new players solely interested in combat are Faction Warfare, Brave Newbies, RvB. Faction warfare is nice because it also provides a way to fund your ships. These are definitely not the only options, there are many smaller corps which specialize in small gang combat. Talk to your corp-mates and see if they do this sort of thing. If not, ask them to try or find a new corp. You won't last long in EVE in a group that doesn't cater to your interests.

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Titan's Lament

Solai
Doughfleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#10 - 2014-02-26 05:02:08 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
You are doing the ancient old "Help, spoon feed me with content in a sandbox" thread.

To reiterate the broader point that J'Poll touches on, this is where Eve is going to be significantly different from other games. Unlike everything else, you will almost never encounter a breadcrumb trail to content and fun within Eve. This makes the game a bit challenging to 'get' at first, and initially makes finding the fun parts a bit of a hunt.

You're going to have to actively decide what you're interested in doing, and pursue it independently. That, or rely on your corpmates to pull you along into their business. It's a difficult phase to pass through, as a newbie - I remember it well. And occasionally veterans find themselves back in this position, needing to find something new.

The trick is experimenting, or trial and error. Or a group activity to throw in on.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-02-26 06:09:16 UTC
Vayn Dravix wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Do ALL the tutorials. Find out what you like doing.

Kinda just said what I like, combat.


How do you know you won't like something else? Do all the tutorials. At the very least for the free ships and good ISK from them. They'll also teach you about some of the other core aspects of the game.

Everyone will use the market at some point, the probing skills are very useful for PVP and for the some of the non-mission PVE content (exploration sites)
Aswald McSmith
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-02-26 06:21:46 UTC
As a new player myself...probably don't even have 30 days yet, but close, I'll admit, I've been up against the "Is this fun, wtf am I doing" wall a few times.

I gotta say, keep going. I've been in game for just about a month, haven't played or even interacted with anyone yet (relocating mid-March and will be starting a new job, so my time to delve into playing with any group of people or corp will be limited for a bit and haven't wanted to join and then disappear and look like a punk).

I'll tell you this, I'm sitting here at this moment wishing I could train a ton of skills faster. I want to PVP, I want to move to L3 missions, I want to get into exploration and scanning, I want to get more into industry and research. I know that doing all of that to any degree of effectiveness is going to take 1-2 years just to get all those skills most likely (maybe less as they overlap in various ways).

I've just got to the point I can clear L2's half-afk/half-drunk/half-paying attention. I'm not making any isk (because I've lost a couple of fitted Vexor's making stupid mistakes), none, I'm negative atm, but I did the Buddy account thing, sold the plex I got and have 3-months on an alt account that is training for refining to be my marketeer/miner/researcher/b*tch/whatever.

Even by myself for now, this is all fun, even if it is a bit lonely, but I know that will change.

L1 missions suck but you can get into L2 pretty fast if you train into a Cruiser or even play it save in a destroyer (loving my droneboat Vexor now that I'm better trained for drones, forcing a droneboat when I didn't have drones trained well was a nightmare).

So what am I doing now? Practicing my scanning so that when my skills are better I'll know wtf I'm doing. I'm running L2s because the ISK, while low, is decent enough if you're not losing ships and I'm stock piling my loot drops so I can either reprocess or sell on the market when those skills make it worth it. My biggest goal right now? Grinding standing so I can get jump clones and better refining.

The best thing I can advise, if you're feeling lost or aren't sure what to do, set your skill queue for a day or two and walk away. Load it up with a bunch of 1-3hr skills for things you'd like to do eventually so you've got a basic foundation across the board.

tl;dr - Your character is new with very few skills, if you're impatient, it's never going to work. Find something fun to pass the time when you have time to play but for now, understand that yes, you need to train some skills for a few weeks before you can really be good at any one thing. If you want to fight, train skills for your weapon of choice, your tank (armor or shield) of choice and your ship of choice. Early on once you get to the 20hr+ skills, if it's not something you think you want to do right now or want to get into full scope, train a handfull of other skills in that period. I'm finding it very easy having come from many other MMO's over the years to want to rush to the "end game" but that is simply not the case with EVE, there is no "end game" and there is no "rush".
sixteen 64
1664.
#13 - 2014-02-26 07:56:23 UTC
I recognize your corp from playing dust, are many of your guys playing eve?

i've only been playing for about 2-3 weeks, and i kinda felt the same at the end of the tutorials, the lack of isk was a a pain

along with grinding away on security missions, i've been ratting in low sec, looting everything and anything i can, and salvaging mine and everyone elses wrecks, buying cheap stuff and and selling it for more, theres stuff to do if you go look, and i find doing different things makes it feel less grindy

The sisters of eve missions pay better than lvl 1's and 2's, and its right next door to some busy low-sec systems for extra activites
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-02-26 12:19:40 UTC
sixteen 64 wrote:
I recognize your corp from playing dust, are many of your guys playing eve?

i've only been playing for about 2-3 weeks, and i kinda felt the same at the end of the tutorials, the lack of isk was a a pain

along with grinding away on security missions, i've been ratting in low sec, looting everything and anything i can, and salvaging mine and everyone elses wrecks, buying cheap stuff and and selling it for more, theres stuff to do if you go look, and i find doing different things makes it feel less grindy

The sisters of eve missions pay better than lvl 1's and 2's, and its right next door to some busy low-sec systems for extra activites


Ooh he is a "Hit match - instant gratification" Bunny. Explains a lot.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-02-26 12:24:53 UTC
Aswald McSmith wrote:
As a new player myself...probably don't even have 30 days yet, but close, I'll admit, I've been up against the "Is this fun, wtf am I doing" wall a few times.

I gotta say, keep going. I've been in game for just about a month, haven't played or even interacted with anyone yet (relocating mid-March and will be starting a new job, so my time to delve into playing with any group of people or corp will be limited for a bit and haven't wanted to join and then disappear and look like a punk).

I'll tell you this, I'm sitting here at this moment wishing I could train a ton of skills faster. I want to PVP, I want to move to L3 missions, I want to get into exploration and scanning, I want to get more into industry and research. I know that doing all of that to any degree of effectiveness is going to take 1-2 years just to get all those skills most likely (maybe less as they overlap in various ways).

I've just got to the point I can clear L2's half-afk/half-drunk/half-paying attention. I'm not making any isk (because I've lost a couple of fitted Vexor's making stupid mistakes), none, I'm negative atm, but I did the Buddy account thing, sold the plex I got and have 3-months on an alt account that is training for refining to be my marketeer/miner/researcher/b*tch/whatever.

Even by myself for now, this is all fun, even if it is a bit lonely, but I know that will change.

L1 missions suck but you can get into L2 pretty fast if you train into a Cruiser or even play it save in a destroyer (loving my droneboat Vexor now that I'm better trained for drones, forcing a droneboat when I didn't have drones trained well was a nightmare).

So what am I doing now? Practicing my scanning so that when my skills are better I'll know wtf I'm doing. I'm running L2s because the ISK, while low, is decent enough if you're not losing ships and I'm stock piling my loot drops so I can either reprocess or sell on the market when those skills make it worth it. My biggest goal right now? Grinding standing so I can get jump clones and better refining.

The best thing I can advise, if you're feeling lost or aren't sure what to do, set your skill queue for a day or two and walk away. Load it up with a bunch of 1-3hr skills for things you'd like to do eventually so you've got a basic foundation across the board.

tl;dr - Your character is new with very few skills, if you're impatient, it's never going to work. Find something fun to pass the time when you have time to play but for now, understand that yes, you need to train some skills for a few weeks before you can really be good at any one thing. If you want to fight, train skills for your weapon of choice, your tank (armor or shield) of choice and your ship of choice. Early on once you get to the 20hr+ skills, if it's not something you think you want to do right now or want to get into full scope, train a handfull of other skills in that period. I'm finding it very easy having come from many other MMO's over the years to want to rush to the "end game" but that is simply not the case with EVE, there is no "end game" and there is no "rush".


Great read.

May I point 1 thing out...

You dont have to be in a corp to connect with other people. There are plenty of people who have public chats for the sake of providing a common chat room where you can just chat with others. Not to mention that most corps dont even mind if you just hang out in their public chat.

Even with very little time I do suggest to be social and talk to people. Not only does it make the game less boring, it will also give you friends in places that might be usefull in the future.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#16 - 2014-02-26 12:27:57 UTC
Vayn Dravix wrote:
Alright I finished the military combat tutorials and now I'm just flying around space doing nothing. What do I do next to further my play style.


What do you want to do?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Gyromite
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
#17 - 2014-02-26 16:22:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Gyromite
Divine Entervention wrote:
If you run level 1 missions, being new, you'll make next to no isk. No where near worth the time invested to earn pennies.

You could mine in a venture. That too, is the equivalent of working for pennies.

Hmm, lets see.

I dunno man, efficiency wise, there's really nothing you can do.

I suggest you do what every other new player has to do:

Wait 6 months while skills train and then start farming/playing.

You specified "military" as your playstyle. Well, being new you'll win zero fights.

You just have to wait. Or find people to team up with.


This is a bunch of bullshit.
Any noob can start pvp with a gang with a t1 frigate and a point. Noobs can earn mad isk and learn proper flying skills ninja looting in lo sec.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#18 - 2014-02-26 16:44:14 UTC
You can also do exploration if you're chatting with corp members. Running system to system and doing data/relic sites is worth your time as a new player.

Plus, getting intimate with the scanner will benefit your eve career forever. You could also screw around in HS combat sites, they can pay ok... the DED 1/10 sometimes have good loot drops (I've heard). You'll have to scan for those though.

Just use EvE Survival (google) to figure out if you can survive the site.

Also, join random chat channels and talk to people. It makes wandering around much more enjoyable.
Pickle Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-02-26 16:58:54 UTC
There is no answer to "what do I do next?" You have to figure that out for yourself. The best way to do that is think "what do I like to do?" and figure out the path from there.

So since you like combat, you're probably going to want a good combat ship right? First you need to do some research on combat. There's a lot of meta to learn about what ships do what, how battles play out, fittings, etc. Eve University's wiki has great articles on these topics, and BattleClinic is a great site to find fittings.

So say you've found a ship and fitting that you want. Now you need to learn the required skills for it. All of the ships, weapons, and modules that you want to use will require skills to be trained. These can take months to learn, so plan ahead and start queuing your skills.

But wait! How are you going to afford all this stuff? Through combat missions? Probably not at your level. So do the rest of the tutorials and find a way to make ISK. Mining is probably the easiest.


Tran Tuyen
Amadio Family Enterprises
#20 - 2014-02-26 17:09:52 UTC
I'm also going to disagree with anyone who says "don't PVP for six months because you'll lose". First off, as others have said, newbros are almost always welcome as tacklers and scouts in fleets. Nobody's ever lost a fight because they had too much tackle.

Second, if you're looking to PVP solo, you're going to lose ANYWAY. Your first time in a 1v1, your nerves are going to be screaming, your client is going to be throwing way more information at you than you can process, your overview will be effed, half your modules will be in the worst possible place, and at the end of the fight you're going to realize your guns weren't loaded or you forgot to launch your drones or you had a window where you were out of scram range and could have run away but you didn't notice until it was too late. Skill training won't help with any of that--only practice and experience will. The time to figure out how you like your overview set or what's the best setup for your mods or just get your brain to speed up to process a fight in real time is when you're flying a million isk Atron, not a forty million isk Enyo.

Now that said, I think it can be hard for experienced players to remember what it was like when your only income source is level 1 missions or highsec mining in a Venture. It's easy for my FW alt to take fights I know I'll probably lose when I've got an L4 grinding sugar mama ready to deposit another 20m isk into the "die stupid" fund on a moment's notice. It might be a lot more painful for you. If your corp is good and genuinely noob friendly, you should have access to good moneymaking opportunities you otherwise wouldn't, even if it's just playing garbageman (looting/salvaging) while they run L4s in a fleet. Otherwise, if you're not earning more in a corp than you could be outside of it, then honest you're probably better off leaving for greener pastures. It doesn't mean they're a bad corp necessarily, but for where you are in the game they might not be the right fit (It should go without saying if you're scouting/tackling in PVP fleets for them they should be happy to reimburse your losses--if not, they're a **** corp). This is why so many people have been suggesting the other tutorials and the Sisters Epic Arc; they're a good source of seed money for newcomers, and if your corp isn't helping you with that, I'd recommend those as well.



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