Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Drones are pretty much EWAR proof, that doesn't mean they are supposed to be. I don't believe I have ever seen a Dev say that they want drones to be immune to EWAR.

people is defending too much is ganking capabilities but are not taking in account how would be the counter for them.

they cant be EWAR'ed, even getting webbed they still give a bit of damage, now add to that that those drones will have more than 2k EHP and will have obscene damage, while microwarpdriving at insane speed like any other light drone....

The Tristan, Ishkur and Astero are all 5 drone frigates and most can be shield fit fairly well.

The Worm was bad and dead the second crucible deployed with the updated Tristan.

that would make no sense. combat drones need love, not to be made less interesting and worse.

lol @ shield tristan, ishkur and astero

seriously, this.

AFs were deemed overpowered with half the current succubus afterburner bonus. This could really use an answer.




otherwise, i look forward to this web range bonused ashimmu. aside from the comet, faction frigs aren't really my thing.

Seems neat.

First impression is that the Succubus is going to fly like a shield Crusader - kinda neat to think about.

I worry that bonuses don't scale very well, though, and the Phantasm seems to get a bit shafted. Promotes a sig tank, but also an active shield tank at the same time with a pretty large base sig for a cruiser. Sigtanking + shield tanking /usually/ don't go hand in hand. It has (had, let's be real) success on the Tengu since it could shoot at 90km and deal nearly twice the DPS, but this bad boy is going to have to be in close. May work. AB bonus would be downright sexual on an armor doctrine, though - even up to BS size.

Cruor seems like a lovechild between a Hyena and Sentinel - maybe like a 5th child or something so it doesn't get quite the same love the first ones did - but that doesn't mean it's bad. 26km webs and if it gets all up on your grill it'll shut down ill-prepared turret ships/logis/ewar like woah.

The scaling will be a bit wonky on this, as well. Like just because the Ashimmu gets an old-school nos won't make it worth flying - it's still going to be trash-tier. Back in the day old style nos was super super OP, I'll give you that. But the meta back then was completely different. ASBs didn't exist, damps were super god tier, jams were super god tier, ludicrous speeds were everywhere, all webs were 90%, and cruise hit small ships like a sack of bricks. I'm not saying the nos bonus is bad, per se, but I honestly don't think it'll be enough to make the Ashimmu worth flying like, ever.

Worm is neat. Maybe OP neat - 8 effective drones is a lot of effective drones considering you can only reduce the incoming DPS if you kill 4 effective drones in one go. Like if I did 3 drones worth of damage to one yoked out Worm drone I'd still be getting blasted in the face with 8 drones worth of deeps. I guess you could TD 4 drones at once, too. Cool none the less.

Scaling wise, the Gila lost favor over the Ishtar for a few reasons. Ishtar had really ******..kinda everything, but mostly CPU and tank. It simply couldn't do the same DEEPS:tank as a Gila. Then the new and imporved Ishtar came along and had beastmode drones and buffed effective tank in the MWD/sig bonus thing. Sentries that could track as well as a cruiser, but deal enough damage (at range) as a battleship, while being moderately survivable. Bingo.

As for Rattlesnake vs Domi - again the Domi does more effective DPS from 0-~70km ( Domi - Garde II - 50km optimal, .057 tracking vs RS - Curator II - 52.5 km optimal, .024 tracking), but the RS does have a bigger tank (at the expense of a nearly 80% higher sig when both are fit). Scaling wise, at the BS level the 4% resist bonus is significant. The fact that Domis get 140% better tracking, however, does complicate things for sure.

With regards to the Serpentis ships - I'm with you that the Daredevil is good. The web bonus is nice, it deals huge amounts of deeps, and is dead sexy.

Angels, too, are right on par. I think the combination Dram-Cynabal-Mach is far and away the best in terms of balance and usefulness of all the pirate races. Some races have one or two really nice ones, but all three of these seem to fit a great niche.

Right now if I were to rank the collective pirate races on their ship it would be

Angel > Serpentis >> Guristas >>> Sansha > Blood

Post patch it would probably be (assuming the same changes are made to the cruiser and bs hulls)

Angel > Serpentis > Guristas > Sansha >> Blood.

Same order, just smaller gaps.

Excited to spend more time fiddling with the fits and playing around with them on SiSi, though.

Combat drones might need a little love. Different and interesting bonuses are a step in that direction. Not having them get one shot by smart bombs is a buff imo.

still on the side that Sansha ships should have a tracking disruption bonus instead of the AB bonus, yeah you can get good speeds with the AB but get webbed and the show stops, while with the other you get webbed but the enemy has its optimal and tracking ****** so it will be hard for it to get you, in fact, if you can get it tracking jammed before you're sold....

I like the new Worm. It's interesting & different without looking OP. The old one was meh.

I've also always wanted a reason to fly the Phantasm. I'm curious about the exact stats, but I think I might shortly have a reason to fly one...