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Amount of real cash spent by Null dwellers vs Hisec dwellers.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#1 - 2011-11-28 06:26:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
I have two reasonable questions for you guys.

1. Who do you think spends more, and why?
2. Do you think that group will have and retain CCP's focus?

1. I think Null spends more real cash on EvE. During the height of "people being pissed about bots/RMT", I looked at the amount of money spent by people that had used RMT services. Some of them spent over a thousand dollars. The majority spent at least 100. From everything I read, it seemed most of the money went to carrier or larger ships, not subscriptions. So while more people live in hisec, I think nullsec dwellers spend a lot of money on PLEX for caps.

2. Focus yes, 100% attention, no. A lot of people like to talk about how the Eve playerbase is older (and therefore wiser, lol) than other games. I tend to agree that CCP's target audience is middle aged men. That being said, 9-5'ers with a family are more likely to spend real money on a game. They are not as likely to spend the money on "space barbie" as a woman, and are more likely to spend it on something they want but don't have time to grind for. I think that is a big reason people seem to think "CCP wants everyone to move to nullsec".

I don't think CCP wants everybody to move to null, I think they want more people to fly caps on PLEX money. What do you think?

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Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#2 - 2011-11-28 06:34:43 UTC
Null is where the RMT monies get made. Meanwhile, I max out papa's MasterCard at some Russian dealer site so that I can buy the deadspace-fit Vindicator with which to kill helpless 3-month-old miners in 0.9 space.

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Chelone
Outside The Asylum
#3 - 2011-11-28 06:37:32 UTC
If this is true, CCP has made a big mistake nerfing supercaps, no?
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#4 - 2011-11-28 06:44:03 UTC
[citation needed] (you make a bunch of assumptions, generalisation and even speculate on CCP's internal business decisions)

When it comes to meaningless conjecture though, I'd suggest that people in null sec spend more money on in-game resources simply because the toys they play with out in null sec are so much more expensive. In hisec you might buy a billion-ISK hull, fit it with 35B ISK of modules, and have at it, knave! In null sec, you might be tempted to buy a super carrier, the hull of which alone is worth more than that pimped out hisec missioning boat. And then you lose it more often than the hisec mission runner loses their 35B ISK piñata.

So averaged out per person, I would expect the ISK-bought-with-dollars per player statistic to be higher by an order of magnitude when comparing null sec to everywhere else.

Will CCP focus mainly on null sec? I don't expect so. I expect CCP to focus mainly on the types of activities that are commonly botted, and on players who see large, unprecedented ISK influxes.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#5 - 2011-11-28 06:48:28 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
[the] 9-5'ers with a family are … not as likely to spend the money on "space barbie" as a woman, and are more likely to spend it on something they want but don't have time to grind for.


Space barbies will provide a form of legitimate voyeurism (expect NeX sales to skyrocket if they ever introduce racy clothes for either gender). Remember, the Internet is for porn. And rule 34.

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Tore Vest
#6 - 2011-11-28 06:55:09 UTC
Highsec vs null
Who is winning ? P

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#7 - 2011-11-28 07:03:50 UTC
Quote:
Will CCP focus mainly on null sec? I don't expect so. I expect CCP to focus mainly on the types of activities that are commonly botted, and on players who see large, unprecedented ISK influxes.


I wish. Not to say they didn't do a lot about it, its just not the prime directive.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#8 - 2011-11-28 07:50:37 UTC
There's a whole lot more people living in high sec space than null.

So even if the average null player spent more money, it adds up to nowhere near what is spent by high sec dwellers as a whole.

I'd say CCP should then, by your logic, be catering to casual high sec dwellers much more than a bunch of RMTing, bitter, whiny bot babies.

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El 1974
Green Visstick High
#9 - 2011-11-28 08:09:34 UTC  |  Edited by: El 1974
Obviously the high sec dwellers spend a lot more RL cash than the nullsec dwellers. They buy PLEX, sell it in highsec for isk, buy stuff and many of them move the stuff to their PvP characters who live in nullsec. You don't sell PLEX or buy stuff in nullsec. Nullsec doesn't function without hisec.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-28 09:02:32 UTC
i used to pay with RL money for subscription 1 or little longer from the start. It was my high-sec time.
Then i moved to 0.0 and stopped to spend RL money to subscription because PLEX became cheap for me.

I know 2 or 3 persons in my corp who pay for game time: 1 very busy in RL person from Britain and owner of 8 accounts from Slovenia. All other members use PLEXes.

Personally i think even after "all the crazy nerfs to 0.0" empire gives less ISKies than 0.0 (to casual player like me). So real money is needed more in empire.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#11 - 2011-11-28 09:34:35 UTC
Chelone wrote:
If this is true, CCP has made a big mistake nerfing supercaps, no?

They are BALANCING them...

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Hemmo Paskiainen
#12 - 2011-11-28 10:17:31 UTC
i used to not use plex in the beginning in 0.0. After ccp ignorance and neglection of certain issues i decided to live on plexes forever. My 3 accouts are all plexed up and im making enough isk by trading to keep it that way for the next 10 years. If i couldnt use plex i would have quitted and bought a car or a few nights with a really hot cg or something

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Tore Vest
#13 - 2011-11-28 10:26:24 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
i used to not use plex in the beginning in 0.0. After ccp ignorance and neglection of certain issues i decided to live on plexes forever. My 3 accouts are all plexed up and im making enough isk by trading to keep it that way for the next 10 years. If i couldnt use plex i would have quitted and bought a car or a few nights with a really hot cg or something


+1

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VaMei
Meafi Corp
#14 - 2011-11-28 10:33:31 UTC  |  Edited by: VaMei
Mr Epeen wrote:
There's a whole lot more people living in high sec space than null.


There's a whole lot more characters in high than in null, that's plain to see from the in game star map. Are there really more players in high?

For my part, my main spends a good deal of his time in both low and null, but my 5 alt characters will never leave hi-sec.
If all you look at is where is the character, then my numbers are more than 5-1 in favor of high.
If all you look at is where is the logged in character, then i'm propably closer to 50/50.
If you look at what's the player paying attention to, those alts don't take that much of my time. Maybe 10% between the 5 of them.
If you look at why does the player play, the alts exist only to fill the needs of the main (extra indy slots & trade alts). If that's all the game was, none of my characters would be here.
StukaBee
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-11-28 10:40:04 UTC
VaMei wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
There's a whole lot more people living in high sec space than null.


There's a whole lot more characters in high than in null, that's plain to see from the in game star map. Are there really more players in high?


Since CCP insists on moving all the reward to highsec and the risk to everywhere else, more and more 0.0 players have moved their alts into empire to get rich running L4s and incursions in safety.
Tore Vest
#16 - 2011-11-28 10:46:46 UTC
StukaBee wrote:


Since CCP insists on moving all the reward to highsec and the risk to everywhere else, more and more 0.0 players have moved their alts into empire to get rich running L4s and incursions in safety.


I have heard that Goonswarm are claiming all lowsec incursions....
and are chasing all others away....
Is that true ?

I know for shure that you tried to take all highsec moms Lol

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Galatea Galilei
Nihilistic Mystics
#17 - 2011-11-28 11:33:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Galatea Galilei
Cipher Jones wrote:
2. Do you think that group will have and retain CCP's focus?

If CCP wants to be as profitable as possible, they need to cater to as many different styles of play as possible. To "focus" on one or the other would be stupid from a money-making perspective, regardless of which group spends more. Leaving one pile money rather than taking both is less profitable, regardless of whether it's the bigger or smaller pile you leave behind. The smart thing is to take both.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#18 - 2011-11-28 12:08:22 UTC
Galatea Galilei wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
2. Do you think that group will have and retain CCP's focus?

If CCP wants to be as profitable as possible, they need to cater to as many different styles of play as possible. To "focus" on one or the other would be stupid from a money-making perspective, regardless of which group spends more. Leaving one pile money rather than taking both is less profitable, regardless of whether it's the bigger or smaller pile you leave behind. The smart thing is to take both.

I see that online business degree from the University of Phoenix is finally paying off.

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Admiral Lolage
GWA Corp
#19 - 2011-11-28 13:56:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Admiral Lolage
I remember back when spacemonkies tried to online a TCU in a NPC system

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-11-28 14:11:11 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
I have two reasonable questions for you guys.

1. Who do you think spends more, and why?
2. Do you think that group will have and retain CCP's focus?

1. I think Null spends more real cash on EvE. During the height of "people being pissed about bots/RMT", I looked at the amount of money spent by people that had used RMT services. Some of them spent over a thousand dollars. The majority spent at least 100. From everything I read, it seemed most of the money went to carrier or larger ships, not subscriptions. So while more people live in hisec, I think nullsec dwellers spend a lot of money on PLEX for caps.

Where the fu*k you get this kind of information? Is there some forum thread where people say "hey i just spent 1k $ buying tons of iskies!"? Or are you some rmt-shop admin, that you have access to data who spent how much? And how do you know whey are high-sec or null-sec? If you talk about plex/TC trading, mot of the people sell them from neutral characters anyway.

From everything you read? Can you please share with the public where and what you read? Because seriously, i have no clue where to read any precise information about money spend by other people on iskies.

PS. i just read somewhere, that people who read somewhere about what other people do with their money, and then try to categorize them, are ******* ********.

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