Intergalactic Summit

I don't know what methods you use, but slavery is abhorrent. I've liberated several slaves within Empire space, and the horror stories I have heard.... from beatings, to spiked collars filled with toxins, Vitoc, slave hounds that hunt down and kill slaves... etc etc.

If you method doesn't use any of this...then if anything, I haven't seen anybody else using something any less terrible, which makes your "methods" outside of the norm, perhaps even radical from what most slavers use.

And Vitoc use continues regardless of any of that. One day, your scientists aren't going to be able to follow a mutation, and Vitoc will grow out of control. It's a disaster waiting to happen. Hopefully scientists in the Republic and Federation figure out a permanent cure. The consequences of an out of control Vitoc plague are to horrible to even contemplate.

You are welcome to see for yourself, granted you submit to all of my security restrictions. I can assure you that none of the above mentioned practices will be found, and your safety will be assured. For further proof you may make an unscheduled visit to my bar in Kihtaled, The Golden Lounge, and if I am available I shall provide a tour.

And they are not radical, simply unorthodox compared to popular practices such as vitoc use. They are not, however, in any way in opposition to the Scriptures.

A couple things...

1) By my admitting I'm in Amarr territories freeing slaves, I'm pretty sure that puts me on a fair number of Amarr hit lists for blasphemy and stuff.
2) The Amarr are not unknown to take Gallente slaves while knowing just how much personal liberty means to a Gallente.
3) Is there any sort of good chance that this one Amarr really means what he says? This one Amarr really being different than all the other slavers?
4) Knowing the 3 above, how many reasons would I have to trust an Amarr not to try and force me into slavery via his own security detail that I was just invited to willingly submit to?

Thinking.... thinking.... still thinking.... yea, I'm going with a giant resounding thank you for the kind offer... but No.

You're absolutely welcome, the more people that really understand what it going on, the more likely we can effect change. What I don't understand is how you feel that this person owning slaves restores your faith in humanity, or even why you would believe him with what he says about this. As he is a slave owner, I'm pretty sure that gives him an invested interest in keeping you in the dark as much as possible about what is going on in the back scenes.

Because that worked out SO WELL for you all before, right?

Your reservations are understandable, although it does show your ignorance of who I am.

1) The hitlists are justified, as kidnapping slaves are illegal with good reason. My estate in question, however, is actually in The Kingdom, so it would not be in my jurisdiction to try and capture you while specifically there.
2) I have also had gallente visit my estate in the past and they left without incident afterwards. Even Amarr who visit my estate are subjected to the same security. I would treat you no differently than any other guest.
3) I would encourage you to do more research on who I am, before coming to a conclusion.
4) I do not have an agenda, so it matters not to me if you choose to visit or not.

Also, a "slaver" and a Holder, simply one who owns slaves, are two very different things. I have not bought nor captured any of my slaves. "Slavers" are illegal. It is not correct to refer to all Amarr as "slavers". As it is not correct to call every Gallente a promiscuous wh**e. Slaves can be anyone from a prisoner of war, to even a Holder who has committed a crime. I do not expect you to understand the true structure of the Amarr social system.

However, I will not press, as it is not imperative that you visit. Simply an offer if you were interested.

Yes, there is that.

Now, if a Matari leader - so beloved that the Matari themselves wanted to kill her until someone else beat them to it - were to be assassinated by a crackpot in Jovian space, we may or may not be able to cross "turret tracking" off the list of "what went wrong."

The only reason the Khanid don't currently conduct raids on the Federation is because they are afraid Concord will blow them out of the sky. Before Concord was formed, they regularly conducted raids on our territories to acquire slaves. This isn't exactly a society that respects other states or societies cultures. The Amarr honestly see it as their god given right to enslave everybody as I understand it. The only reason they aren't trying to invade now is because between other empires AND Concord, they know they would get their teeth kicked in for trying.

As for your demanding that "someone who was born, raised and educated in a society that is ok" that it isn't right to make them think otherwise... why not see this from the slaves point of view. Slaves are unwillingly being slaves Sir, and other than the Vitoc pumped ones, all the slaves I freed were immensely grateful. The Vitoc pumped ones? Well, they turned around after they found out we had medical treatments that kept the sickness at bay.

I can understand that, but at least you understand my position somewhat better. My hope is that my methods will also be adopted by the Khanid as well.

Redundant means of slave control reduce the chance of rebellion, but they do not render it completely impossible. The best defense to slave uprising is encouraging the slaves to not rebel at all. This is accomplished traditionally through several methods, including ensuring that violent impulses are discouraged through punishment and pre-emptive threat of force, and encouraging the slave to rely on their masters for problem resolution.

You are not teaching the slaves to hate one race, especially not with a single video. You are giving them an opportunity to express their anger and pain, and hoping that this will be localized to your desired target. This isn't how raw emotion works. You are not teaching them to 'hate the Jove', you are teaching them to hate, and to express that hate through violent action against nearby objects and persons. What this means is, when they encounter something that makes them angry and hurt, they will recall these teachings, and react in the same manner, because you have taught them that the appropriate response to things that make them mad is violence. They will respond with violence in domestic disputes with friends and family, they will respond with violence against the hurt they feel under their overseers and masters. The Jove, who no slave will ever see, will be the last thing on their mind. The basic, raw emotion is what they will ultimately internalize and carry on into their daily lives.

And this is assuming that it is developing children that watch your video. Adult slaves, especially those recently captured, will have already solidified their beliefs about the world--and in the case of the recently enslaved, their hatred will be for their masters, not some alien-like being that they will never see (a being that is presented as an enemy of the people they actually hate, and therefore could be seen as a savior).

If you want to teach them of the righteousness of the Reclaiming, of the sins of all we who are not True Amarr, then you would be better served by relying on the traditional methods of gradual, continual tutelage over years and generations, instead of looking for a quick, instant fix. Like vitoc and TCMCs, such brute methods are lazy and fail to accomplish any actual spiritual development in the slave.

To properly break a slave, they must learn submissiveness. They must learn that they are sinful and weak. They must be taught that certain actions, words, and thoughts are unacceptable, and that this will be enforced without hesitation and without fail. They must learn the proper Code of Demeanor--to discipline their thoughts and emotions and conform to appropriate behavior. The last thing you want to teach a slave is aggression, because violent release teaches a slave that they are strong and can affect the world around them. Subduing their ability to affect the world around them, through violence or otherwise, teaches them of their own insignificance.

Slaves must be taught fear and helplessness, so that they recognize their limitations. Once they understand their own insignificance, they will learn to look to the Amarr and to God for love, guidance, support, and protection. From that will they find salvation.



With all due respect, milord, no they are not.