Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Darnit, Rise, do a polishing pass on those assault frigates.

The Amarr assfrigs are terrible. :/

I don't even care what that means, its just nice to see you happy :p

Never flown a sansha, did you? Can't use AB long term cause it eats the cap u need for the lasers/shields. No second of cap to spend on AB in current config. So useless bonus without cap changes.

That right there makes my day.

will the NM have its 20th slot? and at least 6 turrets?

The Sansha need more work, why would anyone use a succubus when the Retribution is basically the same thing, but armor tanked?

How is the AB bonus that much inherently better than the MWD bonus?

They still have huge capacitor problems. They'll have even more trouble with the same nonsensical tracking bonus now that they're going super fast, and they still have pretty weak tanks. One of the previous nice flavors of the race was the double utility highs, but you inevitably had to fit them with nos/neuts to be effective. Both in keeping your guns firing, and in being able to kill anything.

You've given them a new bonus to speed, but no adjustments to their damage application, so now you're just going really fast and missing all the time.

There is a lot you CAN do with the ships, but this feels bland and unimaginative. In a game where a ship has 90% webs, the AB bonus feels weak.

Lasers are not the inherit bonus that they were designed to be, their range is decent but their damage is weak, and compared to rails there's no huge benefit to beams. Range isn't important enough of a factor in frigate warfare to warrant using beams when Scorch will do 90% of the work.

I don't see this making the Sansha line desirable. You'll still be caught by interceptors, or dramiels, you'll be out dps'ed and out tanked, so why bother?

Why not something inventive, like having their lasers do omni damage, like the sansha rats do. That's at least new and interesting gameplay. And almost as broken as the 90% webs that you acknowledge are likely broken, but still keep.

Going fast, is not in itself terribly useful. You can Kite out I guess with the 10mn AB, but your tank and dps will be paltry to compensate, so what, you can...run away from all the fights? Emergent gameplay I guess.

Your answer is the answer to "how much is 300% of 2 drones?".
We are looking for "how much is 300% BONUS on 2 drones".

100% bonus (!) means you add the bonus to the 100% basics. If you salary receives 100% bonus, you will receive 10.000 Euro instead of base salary of 5.000 Euro. math is (5000 *100%) + (5000 *100%) = 10.000

300% Bonus (!) means
(2 drones * 100%) + (2 drones * 300% bonus) = 2 drones * 400% = 8 drones

So, I Decided to do some early comparison (and I am using the Worm as the base template here for the Rattlesnake).

Assuming the following:

- Caldari Battleship skill: 10% bonus to Torpedo, Cruise Missile, and Heavy Missile Thermal/Kinetic damage/level
- Role bonus: Heavy drones get +37.5% bonus to damage
- Rattlesnake can field 2 heavy drones
- No change in launcher numbers

For comparison reasons, I am assuming all level 5 skills, as well as only weapon systems being present, no damage modifiers or tank modifiers.

The Scorpion Navy Issue in it's current iteration surpasses it. The Rattlesnake will bring slightly more tank, and with an extra low slot can fit either a Drone Damage Amplifier or Ballistic Control Unit more than the Scorpion Navy Issue. However, even using Thermal or Kinetic torpedoes the Rattlesnake falls behind the Scorpion Navy Issue by ~150 DPS. The Scorpion Navy Issue can field 6 launchers, where-as the Rattlesnake can field 4. The SNI also has a RoF bonus, meaning that the damage bonus is applied evenly to all forms of damage.

In this case, the Scorpion Navy Issue wins out.

In Before "that's 400%!".


25% bonus doesn't mean a ship deal 75% of it's normal damage.

Isn't that what the NOS bonus is supposed to do?