Player Features and Ideas Discussion

all these discussions are derailed by some individual that just really plays this game for the sole purpose of acquistion, or destruction. Their bias is that the opposite of themselves is somehow completely wrong. Neither seem to take into account the fact that CCP's own estimates are that 80% of their sub's are alt accounts. Which means the vast majority of people do both industry and pvp on separate accounts, and is the major reason why training takes so long to encourage multiple accounts.

But this discussion WAS a learning lesson for me. I finally connected Feyd's opinion with my own experience, and finding myself agreeing with him completely on why war is good and should be buffed back to its pre-nerf levels, even if i still dont agree with the severity of his 4 points for fixing them. See, I always thought that war deccers were only griefers. This is my first MMORPG, i have played only multi-FPS and solo RPG for 20 years, so I came to the game with no preconceived notion of what an MMORPG should be. The behavior of deccer's both created and then reinforced the idea that they were only griefers. This was because the vast majority dec's to the uni, try to bring OP fleets to fights at first but then get stomped within the first day or two and then they scatter away from our primary areas and hit only soft industrial targets and nubbins who dont know how to choose their fights yet. afterall, they want to be positive on their war record.

Then I connected the dots. My corp, E-Uni lost like 99% of its pvpers all at once, 3 years ago. The predominate carebears who were left in charge, and whose opinions of pvp were rather similar to Basil's, made a lot of rules to make the uni a Non Pvp training corp. Then rolled 3 years of constant dec's, and the people that were left had to learn everything from scratch, with only pvp alts, past member friends and things like the Agony Unleashed pvp classes to figure out what they were doing---- and they did it all in spite of the fact that there were a tremendous amount of rules and pressure working against them. The result of all this continuous war was an incredibly capable and competent pvp core within our corp, which is why dec's against us are so likely to fail miserably any more. The point of all this 'cool story' is that war fixed the Uni and it is celebrating its 10th anniverssary next month. and it is almost as strong as it was before all the pvpers left 3 years ago.

So in short, I have had a complete reversal of opinion, since even from the beginning all i wanted was more pvp and less high sec station games. Wars TEACH new players to learn how to pvp, or they quit. Since 'most' everyone who plays this games wants to blow pixels up and dont care if they blow up either, because it is fun! then wars are good, at least for those who are afraid of low sec because somebody told them they would get creamed if they jumped the gate.

It is very easy make wars meaningless.

Move to low sec for the wars duration.

Very few of these so called 'Merc Corps' or 'High Sec PvPers' will follow you to low sec.

Don't believe me?
Try it and watch all the 'Aggressors' sit on a high/low gate too scared to click past the 'You are about to enter low sec' warning box.

Or

Train a blank account slot for 5 min and create a corp. Move to that corp for the war.
Get the rest of your corpies to make an extra safe corp each. (Leave the derp toons as CEO -dont give yourselves roles)
Then you will have more corps to hop into than they can dec over a one week period. (Use the 24 hour timer to your advantage)

They might petition this - but dont worry. CCP want your money each month and will generally ignore their whinging if they are picking on groups who cant defend themselves.




The only part of war decs that need fixing is the stupid cost of them against larger alliances.

There needs to be a new type of warfare mechanic that would allow corporation members to be able to assist in defending against griefers who attack in high sector.

The mechanic would be pilot based and would have a skill associated with its use. The skill named Aggression Response would allow the pilot to engage any target that has attacked a fellow corp member within a certain range of the pilot with the skill. If any of the hostile ships come into the range of the skill the corp member then acquires the corp members response agro and is then able to attack the griefer.

Level 1 : 1 AU - train time five days
Level 2 : 2 AU - train time seven days
Level 3 : 3 AU - train time ten days
Level 4 : 5 AU - train time fifthteen days
Level 5 : 6 AU - train time twenty five days


T2

Level 1 : entire solar system - train time ten days
Level 2 : two solar systems - train time 17 days
Level 3 : three solar systems - train time 25 days
Level 4 : four solar systems - train time 35 days
Level 5 : five solar systems - train time 55 days

The only drawback would be that the pilot with this skill would have to be part of the corp for no less than a month in order for the skill to be able to be used.

Corp members cannot shoot war targets because it's not possible to shoot while docked, and if you undock, you wake up in a medical clone station - also docked.
Chars with suspect cannot be shot, because they're too busy waiting out their suspect while staying docked up.

That skill suggestion he made there is just an overbuffed version of kill rights.
Since it does nothing to war dec griefing easiness, risklessness, and disbalance - I guess no is my answer.

War deccers are risk averse - already risk-averse suicide gankers but even more of a pansy cuz they can't even take concord.
I'm no risk averse, because undocking in hisec is not a risk - it's definite suicide.
War targets in case of grief dec are invulnerable, so nobody ever shot them. In case of war dec, which involves actual war and not just griefing, that is possible, but in grief decs - no.


Yes, but the guy wants permanently active corp-wide kill rights.

fair enough. if anyone can activate it at anytime, not sure what more being permanently active against the corp can do.

no blob? No OP combat ship? A rookie mining ship? Remind me of watching a you tube of an iteron taking down a Megatron. Feyd how dare you not conform to basil war facts! Y wonder if he gets it yet?

The Venture is not a joke, that distinction belongs to you Basil. That ship refutes every word you have said in this thread about sp blobs or whatever.

You should look at it and ponder how a someone in a mining frigate was able to kill someone in an attack battlecruiser. Until you can figure it out you shouldn't claim to know anything about PvP. You also should send those letters of apology, maybe some isk too. Those guys didn't deserve to get their ships ganked in your stead. You're a parasite until you do.