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Tahm Cruise
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-11-27 09:19:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tahm Cruise
Hi.

I got this idea from a failed suicide gank in a 0.5 system from which I barely got out of alive.

My cargo value was very high so I can understand that they tried but I thought that maybe I should increase my security just a little bit.

I don't want to use a freighter because it's too slow and I won't use an Orca / Corp hangars because that's not fair in my eyes.

So I created this little beast:

Mastodon
All skills that affect the ship or the ship modules are at lvl 5.

Low:
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Shadow Serpentis Power Diagnostic System

Med:
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender

Rigs:
Medium Core Field Extender II
Medium Core Field Extender II

This gives me an EHP of 89,642 with some minor implants and so on according to EFT.

Sigradius is 227m.
Cargo space: 6562.5m³. Not much, I know. But enough to transport what I'm transporting.
CPU: 231.75 / 237.5
Grid: 371.25 / 371.67

The reason why I don't have hardeners or boosters on this fit is because I'll be afk.

Should be able to withstand most attacks shouldn't it?
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-11-27 09:27:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
Tahm Cruise wrote:
This gives me an EHP of 89,642 with some minor implants and so on according to EFT.

Should be able to withstand most attacks shouldn't it?


Unless you run around pissing people with your hauler alt, yeah. Except that it's incredibly blingy so someone might gank it just for the tear value.
Smiley Smile
GSF Logistics and Posting Reserves
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2011-11-27 14:11:47 UTC
An orca isn't "fair" for what? What game is this, again?

WTF is wrong with you? And what pipelines do you fly? You deserve to be popped in the name of "fairness." Twisted
Nor Tzestu
Dos Pollos Hermanos
Ghosts from the Abyss
#4 - 2011-11-27 15:38:54 UTC
Tahm Cruise wrote:
Hi.

I got this idea from a failed suicide gank in a 0.5 system from which I barely got out of alive.

My cargo value was very high so I can understand that they tried but I thought that maybe I should increase my security just a little bit.

I don't want to use a freighter because it's too slow and I won't use an Orca / Corp hangars because that's not fair in my eyes.

So I created this little beast:

Mastodon
All skills that affect the ship or the ship modules are at lvl 5.

Low:
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Shadow Serpentis Power Diagnostic System

Med:
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender

Rigs:
Medium Core Field Extender II
Medium Core Field Extender II

This gives me an EHP of 89,642 with some minor implants and so on according to EFT.

Sigradius is 227m.
Cargo space: 6562.5m³. Not much, I know. But enough to transport what I'm transporting.
CPU: 231.75 / 237.5
Grid: 371.25 / 371.67

The reason why I don't have hardeners or boosters on this fit is because I'll be afk.

Should be able to withstand most attacks shouldn't it?



Tbh If I had to AFK haul crap (lulz) and I refused to use an orca (lulz) I would...you know...hire someone to do this **** who can be bothered to be at the keyboard.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#5 - 2011-11-27 16:31:56 UTC
That fit is actually MORE likely to get ganked then a T1 fit Mammy, due to the fact that it'll drop a pile of faction mods when it dies. There is no 'safe' when AFK in Eve, there is only "it'll cost more to gank me than I will drop"; and even then you're subject to people saying to themselves, "I really just want to gank that guy for fun".

An Orca isn't 'unfair', it's simply using whatever tools you can to survive in Eve. If you are unwilling to use things to the best of your ability, that's your fault.

TL;DR: Don't do it, it's a bad idea. Either use an Orca, don't AFK haul, or pay someone to haul stuff for you.
Eladaris
Indefinite.
#6 - 2011-11-27 17:09:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Eladaris
Tahm Cruise wrote:
I don't want to use a freighter because it's too slow and I won't use an Orca / Corp hangars because that's not fair in my eyes.


Wait... The Orca is slower than the Freighter...

Tahm Cruise wrote:
So I created this little beast:

Should be able to withstand most attacks shouldn't it?


Yes, so many times yes. This. You'll be perfectly safe. The results will be hilarious, I vote you go with this exact fit.
Ravenclaw2kk
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-11-27 17:16:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravenclaw2kk
If you are afraid of losing your cargo, don;t afk period.

If it's cost effective to gank you, you will be ganked eventually going afk.

Edit - I would haul at most 200m in that fit of a ship, and that is pushing it.
Doctor Badger
Central-Services
#8 - 2011-11-27 17:25:14 UTC
Eladaris wrote:
Wait... The Orca is slower than the Freighter...


Only if AFK-ing. Use a powergrid rig and you can fit a 100MN MWD on an Orca. From a dead stop, you can pulse the MWD once and be in warp in about 10-15 seconds depending on skills.
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
#9 - 2011-11-27 17:30:20 UTC
That will protect you from solo gankers, including people with an alt in a second BS.

But, really, the first ganker to scan you will try to call in friends and suicide you just to make a point.

What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-11-27 18:24:14 UTC
If it's less the 1 billion, by all means use red-frog freight service, they transport 860.000 m3 to almost every high-sec corner of eve for like 10-15 million and it only takes them 1-2 days.
If it's more. then the ship you're trying to use is all the wrong and you better fly a blockade runner.(get instaundocks and instadocks if you're really as paranoid as me.

http://red-frog.org/jumps.php
Goose99
#11 - 2011-11-27 18:26:20 UTC
Get an Orca
Tahm Cruise
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-11-28 08:34:22 UTC
Okay so it's too sweet when it comes to module drops.

Alright so I'll use the KUA2000 implant which gives me 5% shield powergrid upgrades bonus to compensate for lack of powergrid from the Caldary Navy PDS'es.

The republic fleet extenders will also be swapped for regular ones that provides the same shield amount anyway.

New fit:

Low:
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Med:
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Rigs:
Medium Core Field Extender II
Medium Core Field Extender II


Just as sweet, but alot of bitterness added to it. Can't see anyone suiciding me over 2x CN PDS.

Of course, my cargo will still be valuable but then again I always fill my cargo with hundreds of worthless items that I keep in stacks of one unit so I'll be long gone before they manage to scan me down and find out what I'm really transporting.

Again, orca is too slow and what's the fun in using the corporate hangars to bypass the cargo scanner? It's almost an exploit.

Oh and yea.. Do not for one second think that this character is the pilot :D So save your isk, don't try to locate me :)
luvmehard
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
#13 - 2011-11-28 10:06:38 UTC
Tahm Cruise wrote:
Hi.

(EFT exercise)

Should be able to withstand most attacks shouldn't it?


Do you like spreadsheets? I love spreadsheets! Look, I made you one!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AjlFPTlKeJnidERkMC1aWV9iMklIYjczVF9ZRXhLZFE&output=html

I used median selling price. And all lvl5's in my eft exercise.
It really, REALLY comes down to the value of your cargo or how badly have you p|ssed someone up. Nothing else matters, really.

Oh, and +2 warp strength will not save you. Bumpty-bump!

.derp.
Tivookz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-11-28 10:41:43 UTC
luvmehard wrote:
Tahm Cruise wrote:
Hi.

(EFT exercise)

Should be able to withstand most attacks shouldn't it?


Do you like spreadsheets? I love spreadsheets! Look, I made you one!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AjlFPTlKeJnidERkMC1aWV9iMklIYjczVF9ZRXhLZFE&output=html

I used median selling price. And all lvl5's in my eft exercise.
It really, REALLY comes down to the value of your cargo or how badly have you p|ssed someone up. Nothing else matters, really.

Oh, and +2 warp strength will not save you. Bumpty-bump!


Nice spreadsheet :)

However, as of tomorrow ( afaik ) no insurance payouts will be made if you get concordokkened.

But yea, I get your point.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2011-11-28 10:44:55 UTC
The best tank for a hauler is to not go afk in the first place and to use a cov ops cloak.
luvmehard
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
#16 - 2011-11-28 10:56:27 UTC
Tivookz wrote:
Nice spreadsheet :)

However, as of tomorrow ( afaik ) no insurance payouts will be made if you get concordokkened.

But yea, I get your point.


Ah, yes. The "no Insurance Payout if concordokkened" currently in effect on SISI, I believe?
Well, there is a counter to that, too. So.. Blink

.derp.