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What is the best ship most like a warrior?

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Revajin
Doomheim
#81 - 2011-11-28 09:54:57 UTC
When and if you scrub out please don't write a lengthy post explaining why you're bored, leaving, or upset with the game. We got enough of that over the summer and while its hilarious each time it'll just make you look dumb and get you made fun of. That's my friendly EVE advice.
CausticS0da
Shrubbery Acquisitions
Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance
#82 - 2011-11-28 10:05:50 UTC
Confirming pre-wotlk wow was an epic game (especially pre-bc). Good luck in eve, don't be scared to keep asking questions and you'll do well.
Dradius Calvantia
Lip Shords
#83 - 2011-11-28 16:16:11 UTC
Captain Megadeath wrote:
Dradius Calvantia wrote:


Yes, mining is mostly done by bots, and is not profitable enough for any sane person to waste time on.


If you believe that then your a moro....... (looks at corp ticker)....... ah a nullbear.

It's because of Drone ratting bots run by nullbears like yourself whom mine minerals with a gun that makes the mineral market WTFOMGLOLBBQ. Get rid of that and the miners will actually do a lot better, but to highlight your failacy MANY sane people do mine, they DON'T do it AFK and they do make a profit from it.


I never said that drone poop was not the reason that the mineral market has crashed. I simply stated that the profits that a player can make from mining are terrible compared to other forms of income (For several different reasons, of which drone poop is one.) When you can make ten times the isk doing literally anything else with your time, I would certainly contend that it is not rational to spend you time mining.

The only reason to mine is if you are doing it when you are AFK enough not to be doing anything else, or if you have not figured out how to make you bot rat or run missions yet.

Even then, a correctly set up PI, Research, Manufacturing backbone will make you ten times the amount of passive isk income than mining all day ever could. A good trading racket will make you far more than that.

Do I have anything against mining? No, not at all. I think it is a huge flaw with the game that mining is not a viable profession. But until CCP fixes it, you are not in your right mind for wasting your time on it.



Also, if you want to call me a null bear, grow some balls and post with your main. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about so I will enlighten you. NPC null is nothing like the blue NAP fest that SOV null has become. Rote Kapelle is strictly a PVP only alliance. It has been almost a year since I have owned anything that could be considered a PVE fit ship. Before Rote, I spent my time in W space, making most of my isk off killing shinny fit tengus (They drop better loot than NPCs do.)


nahtoh
Vega Farscape
#84 - 2011-11-28 16:56:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Hoo boy…

First of all, forget everything you know about MMOs, and most of the things you know about RPGs. It's far quicker that way that trying to match how things work here with how you are used to them working (because that will most likely just trip you up and make you come to completely the wrong conclusions). EVE does not have levels; it does not have any XP; it does not have any classes; it does not have any ability trees; hell, technically speaking, it doesn't even have any PvE. If you spot something you think looks like any of those things, then trust me: it won't work that way.

That last part is particularly important, and it is a common stumbling block for new players, so it's better you learn it ASAP — while there are situations where you'll find yourself shooting at NPCs (colloquially called “rats”), you are doing so in competition with other players, and those other players will have a myriad of ways of stopping you and generally screw you over… some of which you definitely will not like.

The reason people have the knee-jerk reaction of calling you a WoW troll is because it's so common to see people come here from a WoW:ish background and assume that things will be the same as back in their old game, and then they get all huffy when it turns out that no, EVE does not work that way. At all. In particular when they falsely assume that they are safe in space and that they are entitled to “just doing their thing”, things will get really funny. So learn that lesson now: EVE does not support that gameplay. It doesn't exist. If you do not like PvP in its many incarnations (only some of which come in the form of combat), then EVE will have very little to offer you. If you expect to be able to play this game, and think the same way you do in WoW, you are up for never-ending disappointment. Nor should you expect much support for any sentiment that things should work like they do in WoW, because, again, it's a completely different game built on vastly different foundations, and 99 percent [random number] of the WoW:ish “improvements” people bring to these boards are fundamentally incompatible with how EVE works (one of the reasons the patience for the aforementioned WoW trolls is particularly worn thin is because they tend to get horribly upset when anyone tries to explain this fact to them).

So what is there to do then? Well, a hell of a lot, and for most of it, you can pick and choose your way of doing it. There are some basic philosophies along the lines of what works well and what does not (and what is downright stupid), but other than that, there is no “best” way of doing things. Neither is there any particular route or progression you need to follow — and this is the important bit: the game will not give you any direction. It is all up to you.

There is no end-game beyond what you set up for yourself. Conversely, there is precious little “new-game” except what you want to limit yourself to in order to not to get overwhelmed and/or not risk too much, but it's all your choice. If you want to run lower-end missions and highsec explorations as a group, you can do that. If you want to run them on your own, you can do that. If you want to gang up and try some intermediary missions or low-sec exploration, you can do that. If you want to go off and blow up a titan (the most expensive normal ship in the game), you can do that… although you'll probably need some help with that one. There are no limits to what you can do except the ones you set up for yourself, but as mentioned that freedom also comes at the cost of you having to create your own gameplay, because the game will not provide any.


So, while your question has largely been answered, let's dissect it:

“What's the best ship”… None. There is no best ship. Any ship you find will have strengths and weaknesses that makes it better than some and worse than others. There are some ships that are the top of the heap for one particular purpose or one specific situation, but as soon as you take them outside of that comfort zone, they're horrid.

”Most like a warrior?”… None. EVE doesn't have classes. What it does have is loosely defined roles. There might be some mapping between the two because of how broad or general those roles are (“repping” ↔ healing, for instance), but the complexity of the system and the subjectivity and contextuality of those uses mean that any such mapping will be very imprecise and prove to be false half the time.

So the question you need to ask is “I want to do X in situations Y and Z, what are my options?”, and then expect roughly 85 bajillion different answers — all of them legitimate.


This and bolded teh IMO most important bit.
nahtoh
Vega Farscape
#85 - 2011-11-28 16:58:45 UTC
All TheGoodies wrote:
Dradius Calvantia wrote:

I have watched quite a few people make a start in this game. By far the ones who enjoyed it the most and continue to play it to this day are the ones who never spoke to an agent.


Interesting opinion (one that seems to run counter to most of the advice i've read). Thanks.

I have done some missions already and they seem fairly low on the totem pole of content in the game (although i've got no point of comparison to anything but what i have read). All I know thus far is:

-mining looks to be the worst game mechanic of any game every created and I can only assume it's done entirely by UO-style macros
-exploration missions (at least the tutorials) require skills I don't have yet and scanning should be fun to figure out
-"highsec" is apparently dangerous as anywhere else (I watched someone explode in my newbie system after taking some "free ammo," from a jettisoned space canister)
-Corporation recruitment channel is full of people who want me to pay them isk for the right to apply to their corp (I don't know if this is a common practice, but it seems like some kind of con to me)
-the default corporation I start in taxes my money and gives me nothing to show for it Evil

BTW Evemon and battleclinic are totally amazing, i've learned more in the last hour than I did in my whole trial week.


Well your head and shoulders above some new players figuring that out Big smileBig smile
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#86 - 2011-11-28 17:36:47 UTC
Your best bet is to try and find a corporation to join and learn the ropes from them. Asking here for help, and using WoW in the same sentence, will get you marked for a troll. After a while playing EvE, you will understand why. EvE players really pride themselves at the lack of hand holding in this game.

I think you'll find the game community in game much more friendly and helpful, but don't be shocked when you encounter extreme attitudes towards you taking any kind of pride in being a guild tank in WoW. Such things are meaningless here. I would imagine enough folks looking for corp members realize that that role in WoW means taking one for the team a lot of the time, and would consider you to be a worthwhile recruitment option.