Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Stupid idea is stupid.

It makes a big difference if you speced you char right or not and we are not talking about "slightly faster", we are talking about weeks and months.

It is one source of Balancing so you cant go for Turret ECM Shield Drone Battleship with Energy Neuts and a gazillion Jumpclones, while using Boosters in a couple of weeks.

It also allows you to decide what you want to train faster. This character has all the charisma points dumped into intelligence and willpower to train combat faster, since i wont need any of the social skills and im not interested in fleet skills. Any pilot can do the same. Thats why your allowed a remap every year and you can supplement with implants. Gives me a choice rather than being forced into a bracket i dont want/need.

Be glad Shrew, we used to have training skills that enhanced attributes. Those took week or months to train to max level, and new players were advised to train as many of them as they could stand as early as possible, leading to noobs ship spinning for weeks then quitting when starting the game.

Now that was a bad design. Thankfully, they removed it and set all the attributes to the same level as maxed learning skills.
So you are already starting out with a much better base then most of the older crowd got when they started.

As to you original idea: No thanks. I and many others enjoy being able to specialize into certain attributes in order to rush though a planned long term skill que.

If you don't, then spit your remaps between all the attributes except Charisma, cause seriously, **** charisma. It's used for very few skills unless you go into training a leadership alt. Then you will have a balanced attribute sheet not too terribly bad at training any one skill type.

You are vastly underestimating what properly specing your attributes does to your training time.

I don't like the idea of removing them, but this sounds interesting. What would you have in mind?

They do, indirectly. I pilot that maps intel/memory and focuses on those skills for a year will have great capacitor, ewar, and tanking ability of the same character that maps per/wil (Gunnery, spaceship command).

Hardwires are kind of what you want. You can choose to "spec" yourself towards better scanning, faster lock, more DPS, more speed, more tank etc.. its just that instead of attributes they are tied to hardwires. Attributes are fine they just get annoying when you spec to charisma for boosting skills and later realise you max them out in 6 months and have an age to wait before respec ;_;

I actually preferred it back then, your character attributes were much more important and that was a good thing imo.

There is a deep division over this issue amongst the community of Eve. There are essentially 2 sides:
1. Attributes should stay because they do offer a choice and a consequence to Eve. Eve is about choices and consequences and attributes are an excellent example.
2. Attributes should be removed because they do not offer a meaningful choice and consequence to Eve. Attributes are not like deciding on a fit of a ship. The choice to fit an AB or a MWD has a very great and meaningful impact and the ability to trial and error that attributes doesn't possess.

The difference is subtle. It all comes down to how each individual determines how meaningful the choice and consequence is. Perpetuum Online which has a similar system of time based skills that Eve possesses eliminated attributes for the following reasons:

And:


I personally do not like attributes. I feel that attributes and attribute implants (attribute implants are another argument all by themselves) do not offer a meaningful, entertaining, and useful choice and consequence over not having them at all. There are many that disagree with me.
To me I think it would make a great deal of sense to remove attributes and attribute implants from Eve. Then allow all training to be done at a 2700SP/hr rate that is deposited in to a capped (1-3 mil SP) free SP pool. To train skills you apply SP selecting the skill, choose how much SP to apply and hit apply. I can explain that system to you in 2 sentences. Try explaining the current attribute/attribute implant/remap system to a noob in 2 sentences in such a way that they will understand. I doubt you really could. A simple elegant system, IMO, is better for Eve than the system we currently possess.

Most likely. I haven't even scratched the surface, so I can't say for sure. As someone already stated, though, hardwiring essentially already does what I suggested, but in a more controlled way. I would venture to say, however, that if a reason for keeping something can neither be argued for or against, really, then it's probably worth questioning it's validity. Honestly, to me, it's one of the few mechanics in Eve that seems "tacked on".


As an aside, not all the people on the forums are negative and hostile. Just a lot of them. And besides, it gives you a chance to appreciate when someone is genuinely kind and logical. Don't let the stalkers get you down. :)