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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#281 - 2014-02-24 18:24:44 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Abishai wrote:
Telling someone not to jump to a "closed" gate without giving them a piror indication that it is closed is ridiculous.

The user should receive a message when a gate on their planned route is congested by either:

1) Displaying the message when the route is set
2) Displaying the message when you reach the system
3) Adding a confirmation when initiating warp to the gate saying a delay is expected

These options are better than adding invulnerability because they require the user take a differnet course of action rather than protecting them when they make a bad choice.


Warp to a safe 150+ from the gate, is there lots of cargo ships sitting at 0 from the in gate?

If yes then traffic likely, take steps to secure your cargo and join the traffic.


Ya because this solves the problem with the gates having to be closed. Stop ignoring the issue and lets talk about solving it. You sound like you should work for CCP.

"You can do this, you can go there, use contracts, wait a couple days! "

When none of those fix the issue. God damn you should be head game developer with that attitude.


Sell/buy your stuff elsewhere. When enough people start doing this, the Jita gates will unclog. Most system around Jita probably have a caldari navy station so your standings are still good to lower taxes. Perimeter definately does and I'm too lazy to check the rest but then again, I play the "click enter click enter click enter click enter click enter" games when going to jita on prime time and see no problem with it.

Gate access PvP best PvP.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#282 - 2014-02-24 18:28:07 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Abishai wrote:
Telling someone not to jump to a "closed" gate without giving them a piror indication that it is closed is ridiculous.

The user should receive a message when a gate on their planned route is congested by either:

1) Displaying the message when the route is set
2) Displaying the message when you reach the system
3) Adding a confirmation when initiating warp to the gate saying a delay is expected

These options are better than adding invulnerability because they require the user take a differnet course of action rather than protecting them when they make a bad choice.


Warp to a safe 150+ from the gate, is there lots of cargo ships sitting at 0 from the in gate?

If yes then traffic likely, take steps to secure your cargo and join the traffic.


Ya because this solves the problem with the gates having to be closed. Stop ignoring the issue and lets talk about solving it. You sound like you should work for CCP.

"You can do this, you can go there, use contracts, wait a couple days! "

When none of those fix the issue. God damn you should be head game developer with that attitude.


The toys CCP run EVE on are the best in the gaming industry, they can do nothing about this.

We however can do something. If you refuse to use any of the tools available to us then you will suffer from your own stupidity.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#283 - 2014-02-24 18:30:25 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Tippia wrote:
But since that isn't enough for you, how do you propose to solve the “problem” that Jita is kept in working order by limiting how many can be in there at once?

Idea crash the node


One can only wish. Give the people what they want: unfettered access to Jita.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#284 - 2014-02-24 18:37:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
... delete... this thread has too much traffic.. the gates to it should be closed.

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Dave Stark
#285 - 2014-02-24 18:53:22 UTC
is this thread really still going? and with the same posters? oh dear...
Ralen Zateki
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#286 - 2014-02-24 18:53:56 UTC
Pretty sure taxis in downtown Cairo don't have a "cloak of don't let this traffic effect my business" they can turn to....
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#287 - 2014-02-24 18:54:52 UTC
Ralen Zateki wrote:
Pretty sure taxis in downtown Cairo don't have a "cloak of don't let this traffic effect my business" they can turn to....

You know, I'd tip more than 15% for that… Lol
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#288 - 2014-02-24 19:10:21 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
and with the same posters?


It wouldn't be a party if you weren't still here, Dave.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#289 - 2014-02-24 19:15:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Warp to a safe 150+ from the gate, is there lots of cargo ships sitting at 0 from the in gate?

If yes then traffic likely, take steps to secure your cargo and join the traffic.


You can't ask people in hisec to use tacticals, that would be just too much.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#290 - 2014-02-24 20:03:19 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Tippia wrote:
But since that isn't enough for you, how do you propose to solve the “problem” that Jita is kept in working order by limiting how many can be in there at once?

Idea crash the node


One can only wish. Give the people what they want: unfettered access to Jita.

that's what i said Straight crash the node
Marsha Mallow
#291 - 2014-02-24 20:10:05 UTC
I don't get why a handful of people need to repeat themselves over and over. OK, we get that you don't agree being locked out of Jita is a problem on a weekend. You don't need to hunch over GD retorting to every single poster, ramming the point home.

Just add: "Stop whining / HTFU / Working as intended / It's all your own fault" to your sig and post Roll on every page of GD without reading it or considering issues in context. Think how many keystrokes it would save.

Having said that, remarks like this are awesome, keep going!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#292 - 2014-02-24 20:20:17 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
I don't get why a handful of people need to repeat themselves over and over.
Largely, it's because a handful of people keep repeating the same incoherent and counterfactual nonsense over and over, and are in dire need of being corrected.
Mario Putzo
#293 - 2014-02-24 20:25:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Tippia wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
I don't get why a handful of people need to repeat themselves over and over.
Largely, it's because a handful of people keep repeating the same incoherent and counterfactual nonsense over and over, and are in dire need of being corrected.


Actually it is a problem. Otherwise there wouldn't be 2 threads talking about the same thing.

Sorry you don't see the idiocy in saying

"Use Contracts!"
"Go to a different trade hub"
"Wait until midweek!"

None of those fix the issue with Jita being shut down.

- Its the only system that gets capped
Hey guys look we can put 4K dudes in a fight but can't handle 2500 folks trying to buy and sell ****.

- there is no statement of the gates being closed
Oh your 6B isk ship is now getting bumped on the Jita gate in New Caldari and about to get ganked because there is no way to know whether gates work or not unless you try them. Suck it up!

We have a problem, instead of fixing it we are going to tell you how to bury it under the rug! ~CCP 2006-Present.
ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#294 - 2014-02-24 20:26:19 UTC
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#295 - 2014-02-24 20:31:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mario Putzo wrote:
Actually it is a problem. Otherwise there wouldn't be 2 threads talking about the same thing.
Yes, there indeed is a problem: people either refuse to use or aren't aware of the multiple tools at their disposal. That's an education problem, though, not a game problem.

Quote:
"Use Contracts!"
"Go to a different trade hub"
"Wait until midweek!"

None of those fix the issue with Jita being shut down.
Jita is not shut down, so that issue is fixed by virtue of not existing to begin with. The suggestions listed, on the other hand, all handily solve the problem of wanting to do business in Jita and not being allowed in on the first try during peak hours.

Quote:
Its the only system that gets capped
…because, as mentioned on multiple occasions, it's a system where a cap doesn't break anything.

Quote:
there is no statement of the gates being closed
…except for the one every gets so upset over. If you don't want to bother with that one, though, there are plenty of sources of information that will indicate whether or not you can get in should you absolutely, unquestionably need to (which you rarely do).
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#296 - 2014-02-25 01:46:03 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
I don't get why a handful of people need to repeat themselves over and over.
Largely, it's because a handful of people keep repeating the same incoherent and counterfactual nonsense over and over, and are in dire need of being corrected.


Actually it is a problem. Otherwise there wouldn't be 2 threads talking about the same thing.

Sorry you don't see the idiocy in saying

"Use Contracts!"
"Go to a different trade hub"
"Wait until midweek!"

None of those fix the issue with Jita being shut down.

- Its the only system that gets capped
Hey guys look we can put 4K dudes in a fight but can't handle 2500 folks trying to buy and sell ****.

- there is no statement of the gates being closed
Oh your 6B isk ship is now getting bumped on the Jita gate in New Caldari and about to get ganked because there is no way to know whether gates work or not unless you try them. Suck it up!

We have a problem, instead of fixing it we are going to tell you how to bury it under the rug! ~CCP 2006-Present.


Jita is not shut down, it tends to be 20-30 seconds before you can get in and its entire market can be accessed outside of the system. We have more than enough tools to get around the jita traffic jams and not be ganked.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#297 - 2014-02-25 02:51:35 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:


- there is no statement of the gates being closed
Oh your 6B isk ship is now getting bumped on the Jita gate in New Caldari and about to get ganked because there is no way to know whether gates work or not unless you try them. Suck it up!



IMO JF pilots are a total non issue, they literally should be good enough, and know the mechanics well enough (gates, docking, cyno, undocking), that this should not be a problem for them, and they should have enough resources at hand to be able to work around not being able to get the JF into jita safely, and honestly a 6b corp asset, could really be scouted and escorted by a couple of corp members if its somehow a time critical load (which good planning should usually avoid that).

In my case, I'd just shove partial loads into the alts orca mwd/cloak my way around to muarasi and be done with it - and yes I expect that everyone with a 6b ship has trustables on tap to help, or alt accounts with the right ships to change strategies when appropriate.
Tajic Kaundur
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#298 - 2014-02-25 03:15:43 UTC
Wait, what are you doing to even have this be a problem?

I can get into Jita during peak hours within 10 seconds, every single time. Click, hit enter, repeat as fast as you possibly can, you get in pretty much instantly.

I don't get it.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#299 - 2014-02-25 10:56:20 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
ap?

3. Remove all missions, mining, pvp in Jita. There is absolutely no reason for people to be pvp'ing or otherwise doing anything in Jita except trading. They can **** off and go elswhere, there are thousands and thousands of systems in EVE. If you must camp people in Jita, you can do so on the gates in the surrounding systems.

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From all the idiotic statements I have seen here that is the most stupid one by fAr.

You know that Jita is a HUGE PVP hub as well? Its the most dangerous system in eve most of the days?

Why your focus in jita shoudl be more important than of the people that are playing exactly what this game was made for?


How about I proposed trading to be banned from jita instead? Its equaly valid..

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Victor Andall
#300 - 2014-02-25 12:15:16 UTC
I think CFC should blob Jita again.

Should clear it for a few days after that.

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