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Jita locked out again.... this is getting worst.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#261 - 2014-02-24 14:43:16 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Do I really have to explain how being unable to log in or have your ship magically transported to another system because your unable to login to Jita is broken?

Yes. Especially the part where you are able to log in.

You also need to explain what there is to fix (and preferably how). Alternatively, you can explain why you prefer Jita to be at 1% TiDi during peak hours, since you've hinted at this being a route you'd accept.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#262 - 2014-02-24 15:24:08 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

[quote]16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.


Irishdab Cadelanne wrote:
Since it was locked I could not add my constructive comment about kicking out the bot spam.


If you think your 'constructive comment' has not been suggested before, then you haven't read the thread or even used the search function. This is redundant.


Congrats on the ISD promotion. I'm sure every topic in these forms has been covered multiple times. The OP is just trying to come up with something that makes game play more functional. My only complaint is that due to server overload could cause haulers to be ganked when otherwise they wouldn't. I'm not against ganking but server failure shouldn't be helping.

From the Dev posts it seems that it's pilots in space rather than local spammers so not sure if there's a fix for this other than hardware upgrade.


Salvos Rhoska
#263 - 2014-02-24 15:35:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

To players:
-Sorry, Jita cant handle anymore people. Adapt.

So if you were running your own business and because of the processes you set up in your business your customers were experiencing difficulties, would you tell you customers - Sorry, Adapt!? or would you fix the issue...


Lets say I was running an IRL business dependant on shipping of goods.
All ports/airports have maximum capacity they can service.
If there is congestion/excessive traffic, vessels/aircraft are forced to either queue for their turn, or divert to another offload location.
If the goods that I specifically am waiting on, or the craft I am travelling on, exceeds the current capacity of that transit point, then I have to wait.

Pure and simple.
And exactly the same in EVE.
The ingame entity that is Jita, cannot handle anymore business, same as any overwhelmed IRL air/port.

The Jita Authorities close the gates because their capacity to service more craft is overwhelmed.
If you wish to complain about quality of service, please forward your concern to the Jita System Council Complaints Department (NPC). Our agents and representatives will respond to your contact as soon as possible (ie: never)

Second of all, can you please explain to me why Jita should receive preferential treatment and have a larger capacity than any other trade hub or Empire system?

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Minty Aroma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#264 - 2014-02-24 15:47:53 UTC
Shame this crappy spamming is spreading to Hek now too :(
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#265 - 2014-02-24 17:43:11 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

To players:
-Sorry, Jita cant handle anymore people. Adapt.

So if you were running your own business and because of the processes you set up in your business your customers were experiencing difficulties, would you tell you customers - Sorry, Adapt!? or would you fix the issue...


Lets say I was running an IRL business dependant on shipping of goods.
All ports/airports have maximum capacity they can service.
If there is congestion/excessive traffic, vessels/aircraft are forced to either queue for their turn, or divert to another offload location.
If the goods that I specifically am waiting on, or the craft I am travelling on, exceeds the current capacity of that transit point, then I have to wait.

Pure and simple.
And exactly the same in EVE.
The ingame entity that is Jita, cannot handle anymore business, same as any overwhelmed IRL air/port.

The Jita Authorities close the gates because their capacity to service more craft is overwhelmed.
If you wish to complain about quality of service, please forward your concern to the Jita System Council Complaints Department (NPC). Our agents and representatives will respond to your contact as soon as possible (ie: never)

Second of all, can you please explain to me why Jita should receive preferential treatment and have a larger capacity than any other trade hub or Empire system?


The RL comparison sounds great but Eve is a game and not RL. If it was RL CONCORD would take action against those that scooped the loot of a suicide gank. You think the cops are just going to watch my buddy unload the cash from an armored car after I attacked it? LOL


Bottom line is people want to be able to play whatever game their playing. If it's an MMO and the servers can't handle the load this is never a good thing. Does it happen?... Of course! Eve isn't exclusive to this. Should CCP try to fix it... definitely!
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#266 - 2014-02-24 17:44:56 UTC
IIshira wrote:
The RL comparison sounds great but Eve is a game and not RL. If it was RL CONCORD would take action against those that scooped the loot of a suicide gank. You think the cops are just going to watch my buddy unload the cash from an armored car after I attacked it? LOL


Bottom line is people want to be able to play whatever game their playing. If it's an MMO and the servers can't handle the load this is never a good thing. Does it happen?... Of course! Eve isn't exclusive to this. Should CCP try to fix it... definitely!


CCP should fix what exactly?

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#267 - 2014-02-24 17:49:45 UTC
Minty Aroma wrote:
Shame this crappy spamming is spreading to Hek now too :(

As much as I hate local spam I can't be against it if it's not a bot. It's the nature of Eve. The problem is so many bot and I don't see there being a way to tell if it's a person pasting in local chat or a bot. All it does is CTRL+V
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#268 - 2014-02-24 17:54:16 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
IIshira wrote:
The RL comparison sounds great but Eve is a game and not RL. If it was RL CONCORD would take action against those that scooped the loot of a suicide gank. You think the cops are just going to watch my buddy unload the cash from an armored car after I attacked it? LOL


Bottom line is people want to be able to play whatever game their playing. If it's an MMO and the servers can't handle the load this is never a good thing. Does it happen?... Of course! Eve isn't exclusive to this. Should CCP try to fix it... definitely!


CCP should fix what exactly?

In the remote possibly you're not trolling I'll entertain you...

Upgrade their hardware to handle more players. Yes many MMO's suffer lag and other issues with the main areas but these are workable issues.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#269 - 2014-02-24 17:56:50 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Upgrade their hardware to handle more players.
No such hardware exists.

So what is there to fix?
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#270 - 2014-02-24 17:59:57 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
IIshira wrote:
The RL comparison sounds great but Eve is a game and not RL. If it was RL CONCORD would take action against those that scooped the loot of a suicide gank. You think the cops are just going to watch my buddy unload the cash from an armored car after I attacked it? LOL


Bottom line is people want to be able to play whatever game their playing. If it's an MMO and the servers can't handle the load this is never a good thing. Does it happen?... Of course! Eve isn't exclusive to this. Should CCP try to fix it... definitely!


CCP should fix what exactly?

In the remote possibly you're not trolling I'll entertain you...

Upgrade their hardware to handle more players. Yes many MMO's suffer lag and other issues with the main areas but these are workable issues.


Other MMOs are not single shard.
There is no better hardware and if there were no one would be able to afford it outside of large military and government agencies.
AND even if they did upgrade the players would just pack more people into the system and we would be right back here again when it reached it's limit at 4350 people and the gates are locked again.

Do you have a more sustainable suggestion? Or is, "just throw more hardware, money, and infrastructure at it" all that you have?

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#271 - 2014-02-24 18:05:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
I have a bucket. You have a hose.

You use the hose to fill my bucket, and then complain that my bucket is not big enough.

I agree, acquire a larger bucket, and you proceed to fill it. Again. And complain. Again. I agree, again. I acquire an even larger bucket, which you fill. Again. And complain. Again. so I acquire an enormous bucket. Which you fill. Again.

Eventually I acquire the largest bucket that can possibly be acquired and outfit it with all sorts of cunning systems to help optimise its water containment faculties.

And you fill it. Again.

And complain. Again.

And act like it's my fault. Again.

Even though you're the one attempting to channel an infinite volume of water into a bucket of finite capacity.

Again.

Which of us sounds like the more reasonable person in this interaction?

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Author of The Deathworlders
Ai Shun
#272 - 2014-02-24 18:20:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
IIshira wrote:
In the remote possibly you're not trolling I'll entertain you...

Upgrade their hardware to handle more players. Yes many MMO's suffer lag and other issues with the main areas but these are workable issues.


Have you read the CCP responses on this? Go here and click CCP Explorer's DEV badge to read through his responses. Go right to the through to the end, reading every post. Somewhere in there he also tells you how to solve the problem.

Kimmi Chan wrote:
There is no better hardware and if there were no one would be able to afford it outside of large military and government agencies.


Amusingly, didn't CCP get permission to visit a military grade installation to see what their hardware setup was like? I'll see if I can find the link again.

And here you go. Military grade hardwareBig smile
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#273 - 2014-02-24 18:36:23 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
IIshira wrote:
In the remote possibly you're not trolling I'll entertain you...

Upgrade their hardware to handle more players. Yes many MMO's suffer lag and other issues with the main areas but these are workable issues.


Have you read the CCP responses on this? Go here and click CCP Explorer's DEV badge to read through his responses. Go right to the through to the end, reading every post. Somewhere in there he also tells you how to solve the problem.

Kimmi Chan wrote:
There is no better hardware and if there were no one would be able to afford it outside of large military and government agencies.


Amusingly, didn't CCP get permission to visit a military grade installation to see what their hardware setup was like? I'll see if I can find the link again.

And here you go. Military grade hardwareBig smile


But CCP needs to get something better so I can get into Jita!

Grrrr CCP!!!

Roll

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Ai Shun
#274 - 2014-02-24 18:37:31 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Grrrr CCP!!!


Buy a bigger bucket. Roll
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#275 - 2014-02-24 18:49:18 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Grrrr CCP!!!


Buy a bigger bucket. Roll


That's not going to help. There are people with big hoses running around trying to fill up my bucket.

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Ai Shun
#276 - 2014-02-24 19:03:29 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
That's not going to help. There are people with big hoses running around trying to fill up my bucket.


You're thinking too small. It needs to be bigger than that.
Mario Putzo
#277 - 2014-02-24 19:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Stitcher wrote:
I have a bucket. You have a hose.

You use the hose to fill my bucket, and then complain that my bucket is not big enough.

I agree, acquire a larger bucket, and you proceed to fill it. Again. And complain. Again. I agree, again. I acquire an even larger bucket, which you fill. Again. And complain. Again. so I acquire an enormous bucket. Which you fill. Again.

Eventually I acquire the largest bucket that can possibly be acquired and outfit it with all sorts of cunning systems to help optimise its water containment faculties.

And you fill it. Again.

And complain. Again.

And act like it's my fault. Again.

Even though you're the one attempting to channel an infinite volume of water into a bucket of finite capacity.

Again.

Which of us sounds like the more reasonable person in this interaction?



So maybe instead of just buying new buckets you figure out the best way to spread out the water with your current buckets so you don't spill any and still collect all the water you need.

Ill tell you how to get people to stop filling up your Jita bucket.

Let them buy and receive products from Jita, in New Caldari. Without requiring players to initiate session change in Jita. Simple solutions for simple problems.

I buy from Jita 4/4 it shows up in the New Caldari station I bought it from. Poof your bucket isn't no longer getting full but still doing its job, people can get product off Jita market without going into Jita AT ALL, and everyone is happy. Except for the lames who camp the Jita gates on Saturday because they need to have their PVP spoonfed to them by CCP.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#278 - 2014-02-24 19:35:01 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
I have a bucket. You have a hose.

You use the hose to fill my bucket, and then complain that my bucket is not big enough.

I agree, acquire a larger bucket, and you proceed to fill it. Again. And complain. Again. I agree, again. I acquire an even larger bucket, which you fill. Again. And complain. Again. so I acquire an enormous bucket. Which you fill. Again.

Eventually I acquire the largest bucket that can possibly be acquired and outfit it with all sorts of cunning systems to help optimise its water containment faculties.

And you fill it. Again.

And complain. Again.

And act like it's my fault. Again.

Even though you're the one attempting to channel an infinite volume of water into a bucket of finite capacity.

Again.

Which of us sounds like the more reasonable person in this interaction?



So maybe instead of just buying new buckets you figure out the best way to spread out the water with your current buckets so you don't spill any and still collect all the water you need.

Ill tell you how to get people to stop filling up your Jita bucket.

Let them buy and receive products from Jita, in New Caldari. Without requiring players to initiate session change in Jita. Simple solutions for simple problems.

I buy from Jita 4/4 it shows up in the New Caldari station I bought it from. Poof your bucket isn't no longer getting full but still doing its job, people can get product off Jita market without going into Jita AT ALL, and everyone is happy. Except for the lames who camp the Jita gates on Saturday because they need to have their PVP spoonfed to them by CCP.


Do you feel it's appropriate to discourage the gameplay of these 'lames" by changing the mechanics rather than changing a players behavior?

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#279 - 2014-02-24 19:37:33 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
I have a bucket. You have a hose.

You use the hose to fill my bucket, and then complain that my bucket is not big enough.

I agree, acquire a larger bucket, and you proceed to fill it. Again. And complain. Again. I agree, again. I acquire an even larger bucket, which you fill. Again. And complain. Again. so I acquire an enormous bucket. Which you fill. Again.

Eventually I acquire the largest bucket that can possibly be acquired and outfit it with all sorts of cunning systems to help optimise its water containment faculties.

And you fill it. Again.

And complain. Again.

And act like it's my fault. Again.

Even though you're the one attempting to channel an infinite volume of water into a bucket of finite capacity.

Again.

Which of us sounds like the more reasonable person in this interaction?



So maybe instead of just buying new buckets you figure out the best way to spread out the water with your current buckets so you don't spill any and still collect all the water you need.

Ill tell you how to get people to stop filling up your Jita bucket.

Let them buy and receive products from Jita, in New Caldari. Without requiring players to initiate session change in Jita. Simple solutions for simple problems.

I buy from Jita 4/4 it shows up in the New Caldari station I bought it from. Poof your bucket isn't no longer getting full but still doing its job, people can get product off Jita market without going into Jita AT ALL, and everyone is happy. Except for the lames who camp the Jita gates on Saturday because they need to have their PVP spoonfed to them by CCP.


And what happens when the gates to New Caldari AND Jita get locked?
Ai Shun
#280 - 2014-02-24 19:38:05 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
I buy from Jita 4/4 it shows up in the New Caldari station I bought it from. Poof your bucket isn't no longer getting full but still doing its job, people can get product off Jita market without going into Jita AT ALL, and everyone is happy.


The good news is - it can. But for that, you have to pay a Courier company to cart it for you. That way you also support other game-play styles (Namely the haulers) in EVE online without having NPCs put them out of a job. Bonus!