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CSM candidates...Above the Law?

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Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#41 - 2014-02-24 16:58:38 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
OP, did you report Jayne?

Did you wait for a CCP or ISD or GM or whatever response?

Or did you take straight to the forums?

ALSO,in regards to your CSM eligibility question, CSM says nothing (nor should it) about player morality. Remember when Mittani Escrow-scammed a guy that trusted him solely because of his position in the CSM? Because that's how assumptions work.


Nobody is talking about scamming people out of ISK. This is a EULA breach where a CSM candidate said in a conversation that they told other people their alt was someone else. You can spy and scam and steal all you want but doing actions that breach the EULA is something apart all together.

Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
If you look for the logs you'll find them. The OP tells you how to do it. I'll PM you guys the pastebin link directly though.

In any case this thread isn't about Jayne specifically but the principle of the matter. We've seen how it is when people in position get different rules applied to them. Regardless how people feel about the rules the principle remains.


Of course not, it's just you targeting that person specifically with baseless accusations without any evidence to support your claims other than "if you look for the logs on a site that you can submit any text on."

Sounds very unbiased.



If they're the person that breached the rules, who do you want me to go after instead?

And by all means go ask him yourself if the logs are false. He plainly says he is said alt and then explains how he told others said alt was another person in order to gain personally. Simple as that. Are certain people allowed to be above the law due to their "fame?"
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#42 - 2014-02-24 17:03:27 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Hate to break the news to all the "you shouldn't post private convo's" but this is has been going on for years, since not long after EVE came out.

Plenty of cases where even TS of private conversations have been posted on the forums and everyone other than the victim has had a good laugh about it. This despite in most western countries, releasing audio recordings of a private conversation is a serious offence punishable by imprisonment.

The difference here? Well its a favored CSM member rather than some guy that got scammed.

Where is it a serious offense? I really want to know. I could see it being that way, if it was without the consent of any party in the private convo, but usually it is just one side of that convo going public with the recording he made and that is all the consent needed. I don't see anything illegal about that and I know it's in fact legal where I live.

Its a serious offence is most developed western countries to covertly record a private conversation and make the conversation available to others. You in most cases must make the person being recorded aware that you are recording them.


This is generally not true except in places like Turkey , Germany and Australia. Very few countries actually require "all party consent" to record a private conversation like the 3 I mention above do. In the United States, only 12 or 13 states require all party consent, the other 37-38 do not.

The international norm is "as long as a party to the conversation knows it's being recorded it's ok to record and even publish". This is in regards to private conversations, not business or government communications.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-02-24 17:07:11 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Hate to break the news to all the "you shouldn't post private convo's" but this is has been going on for years, since not long after EVE came out.

Plenty of cases where even TS of private conversations have been posted on the forums and everyone other than the victim has had a good laugh about it. This despite in most western countries, releasing audio recordings of a private conversation is a serious offence punishable by imprisonment.

The difference here? Well its a favored CSM member rather than some guy that got scammed.

Where is it a serious offense? I really want to know. I could see it being that way, if it was without the consent of any party in the private convo, but usually it is just one side of that convo going public with the recording he made and that is all the consent needed. I don't see anything illegal about that and I know it's in fact legal where I live.

Its a serious offence is most developed western countries to covertly record a private conversation and make the conversation available to others. You in most cases must make the person being recorded aware that you are recording them.

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The international norm is "as long as a party to the conversation knows it's being recorded it's ok to record and even publish". This is in regards to private conversations, not business or government communications.

Exactly what I said.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#44 - 2014-02-24 17:54:02 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Hate to break the news to all the "you shouldn't post private convo's" but this is has been going on for years, since not long after EVE came out.

Plenty of cases where even TS of private conversations have been posted on the forums and everyone other than the victim has had a good laugh about it. This despite in most western countries, releasing audio recordings of a private conversation is a serious offence punishable by imprisonment.

The difference here? Well its a favored CSM member rather than some guy that got scammed.

Where is it a serious offense? I really want to know. I could see it being that way, if it was without the consent of any party in the private convo, but usually it is just one side of that convo going public with the recording he made and that is all the consent needed. I don't see anything illegal about that and I know it's in fact legal where I live.

Its a serious offence is most developed western countries to covertly record a private conversation and make the conversation available to others. You in most cases must make the person being recorded aware that you are recording them.

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The international norm is "as long as a party to the conversation knows it's being recorded it's ok to record and even publish". This is in regards to private conversations, not business or government communications.

Exactly what I said.


No it is not. You were talking about Ts conversations. Those conversations tend to be recorded and posted by people who were party to the conversation ie not illegal in most of the developed world .

Destination Skillque was correct in that reply, then you posted again talking about how illegal it was. You are wrong.
Mario Putzo
#45 - 2014-02-24 18:16:28 UTC
CSM is and always has been a joke.

It is a popularity race where greasy neckbeards with the most friends get to hang out and circle jerk CCP a couple times a year.

Every single CSM panel has been a waste of time and space. This current one probably the worst of the bunch.
Vyl Vit
#46 - 2014-02-24 19:07:06 UTC
A CSM considering the broader player base....I like this.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#47 - 2014-02-24 20:02:51 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
CSM is and always has been a joke.

It is a popularity race where greasy neckbeards with the most friends get to hang out and circle jerk CCP a couple times a year.

Every single CSM panel has been a waste of time and space. This current one probably the worst of the bunch.



One of the greatest satisfactions of being on the CSM is watching the very people one is most afraid of gaining any influence in the game's direction talk themselves out of even trying.

Thank you Mario Putzo. Thank you so much.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#48 - 2014-02-24 20:13:54 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
CSM is and always has been a joke.

It is a popularity race where greasy neckbeards with the most friends get to hang out and circle jerk CCP a couple times a year.

Every single CSM panel has been a waste of time and space. This current one probably the worst of the bunch.



One of the greatest satisfactions of being on the CSM is watching the very people one is most afraid of gaining any influence in the game's direction talk themselves out of even trying.

Thank you Mario Putzo. Thank you so much.


It's also satisfying to watch friendless people rage at people just because they can make friends Cool .
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#49 - 2014-02-24 20:19:38 UTC
This thread assures my vote for Jayne Fillon. Thank you, OP, for helping sway my decision toward this candidate.
ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#50 - 2014-02-24 20:21:18 UTC
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#51 - 2014-02-24 20:31:58 UTC
I just want to add one more thing to this.

If you feel, someone is breaking the EULA the correct way is to file a support ticket so the GM's can investigate your claim.

ISD Eshtir

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