Missions & Complexes

With all due respect, removing the loot spew IS a nerf to Exploration :)
Looking forward to see the details.

easy, you first nerfed it with odyssey due to silly game + loot bukkake. and since it was easier, you reduced loot.

now you make it easier again, so you will "adjust loot accordingly" => we all know this means "nerf loot table".

what happen when you nerf loot on an already bad loot acivity => you burry it.

if you fail to see this, you are either delusional, or worse, alter a game mechanic you do not understand / play with at all

so yeah, final nail on exploration's coffin

suggestion for CCP: it is a mandatory prereq for one dev to actually play the part of the game they are supposed to work on when it comes to game mechanics, this silly "i've no idea what i'm doing but i'll do it anyway" shall stop

same in low, the only reason we ever get in those, is when we spot someone probing, with the hop he will go in so we can kill him.

the few time we had someone going in those, the scanned it then bugged out without even running it EVERY SINGLE TIME because it' wotrhless.

see, when odyssey hit, i, like many many others, siad that CCP just killed explo.

look wherre we are now, the old explorer like myself stopped doing it, canceled accounts accordingly, and the "new" explorer CCP bragged about just doesn't run them anymore, cause they are worthless, and there are less and less ppl even bothering warping in data / relics..... congrats CCP, you killed what used to be a great part of the game .....

would you personally prefer giving out more of the good stuff ? or would you rather introduce new stuff ? completely unrelated note: i would love to be able to buy standings with NPC corps in some way or another by trading in items ...

By removing the loot spew, it makes the sites easier and faster to do, ergo: they are nerfed :)



So they will be easier to do, and have better quality loot.

I guess that is good for the people who where incapable of doing them, since now not only can they do them easily, but they also get better loot for even less effort! :)

Sorry btw, I won't bribe you with beer as some others have :)

On the specific conjecture and point, of loot spew originally being intended to incentivise group exploration I think it is difficult to make it so that it is good for "2 or more explorers". All that this can offer 2 hackers, is that they can together probe and farm the sites faster. That is the "benefit".

However, what about a combat and explorer combo? Or a miner and explorer combo? Surely these are more interesting avenues to incentivise group exploration? All 2 explorers can offer each other, is faster probing and faster site completion for split profits (so thenet total is the same in terms of time and profits, as if you did them solo).

TLDR: Duo exploration nets you no more profit, and slim to little time savings, than solo exploration. Nor does duo exploration make you much safer to PvP, because neither ship is particularly PvP efficient. Basically the only advantage is safety in numbers,mso that you can gtfo while your buddy gets pwned, and two sets of eyes eatching dscan rather than one. Pretty slim benefit.

yes, and what will happen?

you make site easier, and reduce the loot table (via value or item number) => direct nerf

or, as you claim,

you make site easier, and increase the loot (via number or quality) => ppl will run them like rabbits on steroids for a month thus crashing the market price => indirect nerf

tldr; it's a nerf

the problem is making the useless sites easier, not artificially making them temporary more valuable.

bring them back to where they were, they were balanced, giving good value loot to ppl who actually spent time training and put the effort in skill and tactics / fitting to be able to run them (speaking low / null here, high was always crap anyway), this was balanced.

with odyssey, you basically told those ppl who invested hard time to GTFO, wich they did, and broke the exploration.

you were warned, and yet, here we are, months later, and you are iterating in the wrong direction, expecting to fix a broken thing you broke in the first place, by breaking it even more.....

"i have a dream, were CCP devs actually play the game".... will probably reamains a dream tho

thanks for letting us know you miss eve understanding 101

every single time i saw this written in a CCP dev's post, it was followed or following one or more sentences showing how little of the topic said dev understood, and the ingame iteration proved how right the players were........ please CCP Affinity, prove me wrong......

I respectfully ask you to reconsider this decision. The tables were increased when Odyssey deployed to promote team work and the potential loss of loot for a solo explorer.
The player base was able to adapt fairly well and data and relic sites remained a solo activity for the most part and players were able to get the loot they were after still.
The increased loot tables and the massive increase of data and relic hackers caused the value of the loot to pummit. This has also caused a secondary effect of damaging the combat site loot values, the a lot of players got tired of the loot spew and the low rewards for data/relic sites, due to the market crash, and moved on to combat sites causing a similar effect.

CCP Affinity will the entire of exploration be getting a once over or just the scatter cans mechanic?

I still feel that Ghost Sites would make more sense requiring probes as these are meant to be "super secret hidden sites" yet everyone in a system knows they're there.
We're also at the point where everyone is just tanking them and there is no danger left in them any more, if CCP wants to keep the "danger" in these sites they might want to improve the damage done or have it random damage types thus being untankable.

Grav sites could really do with going back to bring scanned sites (at least from my experience) because it removed the "prospecting" part of finding them as well as removing another layer of defence for NullSec miners.
Anomalies Grav Sites + Interceptors = terrible for NullSec mining.
It might be worth looking at the distribution of these sites as well to try and keep ore values in check.

On topic however the removal of scatter cans is something I can fully support, while I like that CCP want to encourage players to work together attempting to add mechanics which force it really feels against the nature of EVE.

Its never ending job without changing exploration as whole. Level of explorers will increse after you remove scatter containers so loot will be worthless again. Wish you good luck, you'll need it.

Out of interest do you live in a wormhole? When you scan out a static you may have 10-30 cans to hack. Server banks for example we dont even bother doing all but one of the cans.

I think there are two points of view here: Wormholers and casual k-space explorers.