EVE General Discussion

And you'll know even less about the game than you do now. A wise man advised you to play for fun, not for ISK/hour. That's good advice. Still, I can see you're not really listening to anybody and have locked yourself into a series of assumptions. Nothing anybody says will persuade you otherwise, no matter how much experience, skill or patience they show.

Congratulations on alienating everybody that has tried to help you

It'd take my <1M SP alt 12 days to get into a barge and possibly another 5 or 6 days to get a halfway decent refine rate through standings and skills with a totally unsuitable remap and the wrong attribute implants.

8M an hour for a relative newbie isn't bad when you consider that I've been playing coming up on 5 years. You seem to want things handed to you on a plate and to compete on an income basis with someone who has been playing for years. You appear to want instant gratification, if that's the case Eve is not the game you should be playing.

You go ahead and do that, when you finally have the ingame skills to undock your uber mission pwning machine you'll find your personal Eve skills suck, because you haven't played the game and learnt the mechanics. You'll explode hilariously and cry about it on the forums, for which we will ridicule you.

If you truly feel that you should do other things while you play skill queue online only logging in to update the skill queue then you may as well quit now, because you will be sorely disappointed when you realise that you've wasted a year doing so, and that you still suck at Eve because you don't actually understand any of the underlying mechanics or what your ship is capable of.

Nope you need to rethink about whether or not Eve is a game you should be playing.

WE'VE BEEN THERE.

We've all spent months in half fitted ships with a negligible income source. We managed to survive and prosper, you don't seem to want to.

it gives some reward to your effort. And makes you play longer than 1 hour and go to other game.

it was pretty easy?

I don't mine or refine, so this assistance is the little I can provide here, but it looks as though Refining as a skill is a level 1 multiplier, so to get to level 4 should be less than a day of training.

Refining Efficiency looks like it will also help and as a level 3 skill you can train to level 3 quickly and get 60% of the total skill benefit.

A good rundown on refining can be found here:

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Refining

Because the level of risk = the level of reward.

To better handle the risks we encounter in EVE takes not only good ships and character skillpoints but most importantly it takes player skill (and often also requires player cooperation).

If you join EVE fresh and jump straight into the deepest risks hoping for the biggest rewards you'll soon find yourself either broke and/or losing clones. So it makes sense that one needs to spend time and effort to gain better skills, better ships and more experience in-space as a pilot. This is a logical system and gives you something to aim for/work toward.

IMO If you want serious money then jump into a wormhole and start farming. Problem will be that because you can't yet fly a proper ship for w-space, and don't have the experience to work within it, you'll die frequently and more expensively than even now in FW. What kind of service would it be to a new EVE player to gift him/her the skills and ship for w-space and send them in with no experience flying it, let alone knowing almost anything about the environments. That would be a true disservice to newbies.

You've joined Faction Wars looking to harvest LP and ultimately make good profits (which is very possible), but you've done it very early and with very little of any traits mentioned above. It'll only end badly for you as you'll continue coming up against the other kind of FW players, the majority who are only enlisted to shoot at people. You'll die again and again, and the learning curve you face will be as nasty as the curve that follows your financial losses.

I speak as a former FW pilot myself when I say at this early point of your EVE career you made a bad call joining FW with the aim of playing to make income. That's not to say you can't capitalise on it though - you want to make ISK by farming LPs in relative safety? Well you'll never be safe doing that, so the best thing you can do is team up with other pilots from the FW corp you've joined and go out to farm LPs while fighting anything that tries to stop you, together as a fleet/corp. Ditch the stabs and fit a proper PVP plexxing ship and go have a blast with your fellow militia pilots.

You'll probably find that you start to make a little more money and lose slightly less ... but you probably won't care anyway as you'll be having so much fun with the PVP that's integral in FW.

Look into the social skills, connections will do a lot for your standings, standings determine refine rates as much as the refining skills. The better your standings, the lower the amount of minerals taken as refining tax. Be warned though, mining in Eve is the equivalent of a McJob, boring if solo, repetitive and low income.


In answer to both, because as in the real world, that's the way it works, you wouldn't expect to start a new job as an apprentice on the same wages as a master craftsmen. Time served will always have an advantage because someone who has invested time into learning skills and practicing those skills, both real world and in Eve, will always know more about and be better at a given task or game than someone with little or no experience in that task or game.

The get given a medal for coming last mentality that seems to be the current soup du jour in society and childcare only results in disappointment when it meets the real world. It's a fad that goes against the lessons of human history.

Sure you can use it, you have multiple times.

But not everyone holds the same view, which is fine. I've disagreed with that opinion in my posts but you've also received a couple of likes I think, so clearly someone agrees.

People disagree, which this thread seems to be a very good example of at the moment, but even then it would be good if the discussion was civil and mature where all opinions can be put equally and without malice.

Yea well, that's kind of the thing with those types of people.

They're disrespectful to others in game, so they'll be disrespectful to them on the boards.

Because they're disrespectful people.

The thing with this type of argument from my perspective is that a judgement is made about the play style of someone else because it interferes with your play.

So the natural extension of that would be for those people to stop playing the way they want to in order not to upset other players.

By definition, that just interferes with the way they want to play the game also.

It's all just 2 sides of the same coin as far as I'm concerned and if you are going to make a judgement about the RL personality of other players, you equally have to apply the same judgement to yourself.

But this is an argument that is just repeating what has already been covered with no movement by anyone, so there will never be compromise.

EvE working as intended is the most we are likely to agree on (as the game thrives on conflict between the aims of different players).

disregard this.

Pretend it isn't here.

Haha you think you see something here but really you're imagining it.