EVE General Discussion

2 million ISK is not really that much. This is probably a good idea, as soon as someone converts from a trial account to a paid account they receive some ISK to help along early.

Abusing something as small as a 2 million ISK bonus (even 5 million ISK) wouldn't be worth the cost to abuse if it was tied to converting an account.


EDIT: Actually, just go an complete all of the tutorial missions. They are worth way more than 2 million ISK and provide ships, skillbooks, modules and ISK in a very safe environment.

Everything you're arguing is based on the false assumption that new players don't have the means to level the playing field. I see our efforts to explain otherwise still fall on ignorant ears, though, so I can only assume you're a lost cause and you were never going to do well in this game anyway.

Before I go, just one little piece of wisdom. The most important factor to your success in this game is not SP, it's not time spent playing, and it's not isk.

It's attitude.

The OP in that thread is always going to be better than you at this game because he has the attitude for it. You could have ten times the SP he does, and he will still beat you in a fight every time, because he's got the attitude, and you don't.

Please enlighten me.

What am I suppose to do, as an individual with 1 mil SP, who wants to farm a level 3 mission solo in an environment where I can protect myself against a singular individual flying a battlecruiser or a battleship?

Go ahead and take your time. I don't expect a real answer, so at least make it interesting.

Dude, I'm not here to hold your hand. I'm especially not going to help someone who doesn't already possess the right attitude. Without that attitude, you're doomed from the start, so there's no point. You get the right attitude, and I'll write you a whole document on things you can do to mitigate the risk to yourself.

Right now, you're playing for isk. I will give you one piece of advice - stop doing that. It's a video game. You play it for fun, or you're not playing a game, you're going to work.

And one more small thing. I bet you're running lvl3s in a bigger ship of some kind, like battlecruisers or battleships. With 1mil SP, you could have been well on your way towards t2-fitting any number of frigates by now.

Frustration hits us all and for the most part Remiel has tried to be helpful in my view and calling him a kid that will never do anything constructive has no purpose but to antagonise, so isn't really helpful to anyone.

It's a difficult thing when you first start and clearly the advice you are getting here doesn't rub well with you, so I think I'll bow out of the discussion now and just wish you all the best.

I hope you stick with it and you clearly care enough to bring it to the forum with strong emotion; all of which I think is a good thing and shows that EvE probably is the game for you in the long term, otherwise you would have just left by now.

So hopefully I see you sometime in game and if you ever need a hand, just ask.

You're only saying that because I didn't help you. You're basing your assumptions of me as a person on your own personal problems with me. Which makes it a somewhat subjective opinion, wouldn't you agree? I hope you understand why an opinion population sample of one doesn't count for much.

The problem you are still having, and why I would never help you, is that you are still equating in-game behaviour and attitude to real-world personality. People like you are the kind of people that think video game violence causes real world violence. You'll have to forgive me, but I have no respect for that, and you have done nothing but demonstrate why you don't really deserve respect from anyone here, having been nothing but hostile to people who did nothing to deserve it.

So, with that, I bid you no luck. May all your ships quickly become wrecks, your corpses cloak fodder, and your loot someone else's.

Theres no sense trying to reason with this guy as he only hears what he wants and skews the rest.

I've offered multiple suggestions as what you can do. Your attitude however leaves something to desire. Generally when people try to help you don't spit in their face and insult them. The people who will help newbies are few and far between so take advantage of the people who offer help.

I first started playing in 2008. I have only five years of experience compared to others ten plus years. Sure it may give you the feeling you're way behind when you first start but there are players with just as much time invested and only know how to run level four missions in hi-sec. If you put the effort in you will break through and exceed players older than you.

I will also say the first few months of me playing this game were the most fun. There is so much to learn and explore that you just need to get out there and do it. Some experiences can only be had once, so enjoy it while it lasts.

I want to ask you a serious question; what do you aim to do and/or achieve in this game? Do you want to just run missions, or fly the biggest ship? The answer to this question may enable us to help you.

While there are people who have been playing 11 years, there are far more that have been playing for far shorter periods who've persevered and overcome what you see as obstacles in your way.

Time served has its advantages, it's the same in real life, unless you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth you have to work your way up the food chain with time and effort. The difference here is that nobody is born with a silver spoon in their gob, if they were Eve would steal and beat them with it, here everybody starts equal.

Why not? We did and we've all gotten beyond that part of the learning curve.

Friends are a great equaliser, Eve is a game of numbers. 4 people in low DPS ships can clear a mission faster than 1 ship with mediocre DPS, they also split the aggro. You can individually chain your missions, run all of them together and then chain some more, you'll end up earning more by in a given time period churning them out together than doing them solo.

As for no incentive to play, that's down to you, we've all been where you are now, and found incentives to play. We still find incentives to play, after in some cases a decade. The social aspect is just as much an incentive to log in as the spaceships aspect, I've logged in just to chat to corpmates for an hour and never undocked.

Eve is not for everyone, there's no shame in admitting that it isn't for you.

You are also making some assumptions about him. Not necessarily defending him but chill.

You didnt answer my question which I find disappointing.

Oh well. Good luck out there, you will need it.