EVE General Discussion

The atron is paper, I get that. I don't fly the incursus because its the most ******** looking spaceship I've ever seen, I don't care how amazing it is with t2 fit and dual reps. Lately I've been flying the algos since so much of my so is in drones, but t1 frigates won't fight that and it still loses to af's. Eventually plan to train into amarr af's but vengeance requires skilling heavily into missiles and the retribution's lack of a 3rd med concerns me.

If you are specializing in drones, then the Ishkur is a great AF to train for. I guess since its based on an Incursus, it probably doesn't do it for you in the looks department, but it will certainly do it for you in battle. Less tank than an Enyo, but more projection.

I find I struggle in an Algos against a Hawk, Crow or arty fit Wolf, but other AFs not so much. Shield tanked it has ok speed too, but a shield (adaptive invul field, shield extender, etc.) takes a mid slot, which means dropping the web and using a point instead of a scram in order to kite a bit. 75 mm gatling rails fit + drones I find it works well, but generally tend to armour tank it and brawl just because I like to brawl. Then it's slow and less flexible, but lots of fun.

In response to the OP, cuz I'm not going to read 12 pages of this:

Yes the game needs new players. No there is nothing wrong with the situation you described. It is very common for people to wardec PVE corps in hisec because they are easy targets. The problem is with the training corp not offering the proper training.

It may sound like I'm just saying HTFU, and to a degree I am, but think about it. EVE is brutal and if you can't handle that or don't like it then this game is probably not for you.

There will always be some people who just want to mission run by themselves all day and chat to a few buddies. To them I suggest staying in a NPC corp that cannot be wardecc'd and create a chat room with friends. It's simple, safe, and allows you to PVE your heart out. To strictly PVE in a player owned corp only gives one advantage and that is avoiding the NPC tax, but when compared to the risks and time lost of being in a constantly wardecc'd corporation, it's a small price to pay.

"Now wait a minute," you say, "I want to lead a training corp and teach people about EVE." To that I reply, "Great!"

Teach them everything about EVE. Teach them how to scout and avoid PVP they don't want to engage in. Teach them about how these griefers devote their time and ISK/money to trolling people and the best way to put them off is to deny them their excitement. No, this does not mean to stay docked when they camp you. Kill them when you can, be clever with your strategies, and don't throw yourselves into the fire. Don't want to fight them, or can't because you're solo? Fine, jumpclone somewhere else and do what you want, just be smart and keep an eye on local.

Even if you lose some ships should you decide to PVP, it's not the end of the world. It's part of learning, just don't be foolish enough to smacktalk the griefers (unless you kick their ass) because half the reason they grief is to hear people smacktalk. Ignore them or be cool. Should you develop a positive image of yourself, they may even drop the war and help you against future wardecs. Don't let yourself look like an ass.

If all of this still sounds like too much, consider doing operations in low-sec. Most highsec griefers are scared to go to lowsec themselves because the reality is they suck at PVP and need the safety of hisec to help them. If youre camped in station, jumpclone to lowsec and give those newbies new learning experiences. They will have to learn about PVP eventually, whether they learn willingly or unwillingly.

Training corps should never limit themselves to PVE and claim to be helpless when they're forced into PVP. Be creative, use your head, and you'll be fine.

Edit: there are plenty of systems in lowsec that are unpopulated. Don't look at systems like Old Man Star or Amamake and think they're all like that. Look off the beaten path if you're aiming for less PVP in your lowsec experience.

I like the shield fit algos because I can put on a dda or 2, but I haven't put a lot of sp in shields yet and yea lack of a web is troubling especially vs. Kitey ab frigs.

So basically, do nothing for a year and then you can start thinking about playing the game.

Literally the only option is to wait.

Go do missions with only 1 million skill points in high sec?

Nope, can't do that. Some griefer will come along, notice you've only been playing for 3 weeks, kill you, and post a thread on the eve forums reaping accolades and applause.

Go mine? Some griefer will come along, notice you've only been playing for 3 weeks, kill you, and post a thread on the eve forums reaping accolades and applause.

Try trading? Nope, some griefer will scan you at a jump gate and suicide gank you for everything you own.

"Why don't you team up with other new players and defend yourselves?!"

Because then all that happens is 20 of us lose ships while a guy in a battleship LoL posts a thread on the eve forums receiving applause and accolades from you.

Being a new player in this game really, really sucks. The only chance I have to stand on my own is to buy an account, or wait 1-2 years for skills to train.

Yea well maybe if you were more concerned with fostering a positive attitude, negativity wouldn't arise.

You're a reason this thread needed to exist.

I note that if you have to run neutral scouted ganks vs new players in hisec to get kills while your alt stacks cash in null, you are bad at the game. It really was more obvious than interesting. Well knowm tactic can still be broken.

What exactly does a jc do for you anyway? Is it a copy of the original (same skills) or do you lose something? Just implants maybe? As I said I haven't messed with jumpclones at all. Avoiding wardeccers is not that hard, It just cost me a ship to understand that they were actually running fully trained combat probe alts.

You take that quoted bullshit as truth when the experienced EVE players have posted the exact opposite and explained how? You can do all the things you've said you cannot, but you also need to be at least semi realistic in your expectations.

That said - EVE requires you to read, learn and assimilate information. That is the minimum level of interaction required with other players to enjoy this game. Otherwise yes, you will be running into a brick wall repeatedly and I know nobody that enjoys doing that.

I've not followed the thread religiously, but I've seen some gems from Tippia and Kimmi and others that give pointers on how to get involved.

There have been a number of attempts to add helpful information in this thread and I firmly believe that your view, while understandable because of the steep learning curve of the game, can be overcome by approaching things differently.

You don't need to wait until your character skills increase, because the development of your skills as a player can give you a huge advantage later on.

Since only 20% of the training time for a skill is required to obtain 80% of the benefit, it is easy for a new character to be extremely useful in a broad range of professions, very quickly and for some professions, player skill is almost the only thing that counts.

Obviously your experience in the game has led you to draw these conclusions, so not knowing how many experienced and skilled players you have around you in game, it might be worth suggesting you go and hook up with some, since they will be able to teach you much faster than you can learn on your own.