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Getting ganked on a closed Jita gate

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Dave stark
#21 - 2014-02-23 18:18:23 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:
Simple solution, don't go to Jita during weekend afternoon/evening, since everyone and their dog knows that there'll be a queue.


"don't play the game you're paying to play!"


That's pretty much what OP wants to do. He wants to play Route 66 Online, where the Good Buddy Convoy always gets their shipment in on time.

What he's actually playing is EVE Online, where Jita Traffic Control cockblocks you, and loitering on the gate makes you fodder for people who want your stuff.


route 66 online can probably cater to the amount of people they have playing. eve quite clearly can't in this regard.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#22 - 2014-02-23 18:20:53 UTC
Threads like this make me giggle like a little school girl.

OP, sorry your **** got blown up. That's the way this game is. You have a couple of choices:

1) Quit playing. Any developer not willing to submit to your very specific demands, despite the other 499,999 players in the game, does not deserve your hard earned money.

2) Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war!

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#23 - 2014-02-23 18:27:23 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:
Simple solution, don't go to Jita during weekend afternoon/evening, since everyone and their dog knows that there'll be a queue.


"don't play the game you're paying to play!"


That's pretty much what OP wants to do. He wants to play Route 66 Online, where the Good Buddy Convoy always gets their shipment in on time.

What he's actually playing is EVE Online, where Jita Traffic Control cockblocks you, and loitering on the gate makes you fodder for people who want your stuff.


route 66 online can probably cater to the amount of people they have playing. eve quite clearly can't in this regard.


Indeed.

He should likely take his subscription dollars to them, then, shouldn't he?
Dave stark
#24 - 2014-02-23 18:34:13 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:
Simple solution, don't go to Jita during weekend afternoon/evening, since everyone and their dog knows that there'll be a queue.


"don't play the game you're paying to play!"


That's pretty much what OP wants to do. He wants to play Route 66 Online, where the Good Buddy Convoy always gets their shipment in on time.

What he's actually playing is EVE Online, where Jita Traffic Control cockblocks you, and loitering on the gate makes you fodder for people who want your stuff.


route 66 online can probably cater to the amount of people they have playing. eve quite clearly can't in this regard.


Indeed.

He should likely take his subscription dollars to them, then, shouldn't he?


not really, telling some one to quit the game and go elsewhere when they point out how ****** the jita gates are during peak times isn't really that constructive, it just makes you look like a bit of a **** to be honest.

the situation is ****, and it does need looking at. however i guess telling people to go **** themselves is easier for all involved instead of addressing problems properly... seems to be the new theme as of late.
Dave stark
#25 - 2014-02-23 18:35:00 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:
Simple solution, don't go to Jita during weekend afternoon/evening, since everyone and their dog knows that there'll be a queue.

"don't play the game you're paying to play!"

That's a pretty silly suggestion. Why are you making it?


it wasn't a suggestion.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#26 - 2014-02-23 18:35:14 UTC
I sense autopilot was involved, somehow.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-02-23 18:37:10 UTC
OP is right, closed gates are a broken game mechanic.

+1 to making ships invulnerable while they sit in a queue after having clicked the jump button.

gankers can go **** themselves.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2014-02-23 18:42:08 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
it wasn't a suggestion.
Sure it was. Just look at that exclamation mark at the end — classic case of an imperative.

LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
OP is right, closed gates are a broken game mechanic.
What's more broken: invulnerability or gates behaving normally?
Centis Adjani
Adjani Corporation
#29 - 2014-02-23 18:42:30 UTC
I always wondered why all people want to sell their items in Jita.

The market browser shows the complete Region, so why not sell at a Station in neighbour system?

Or at one of the other Trade Hubs like Dodixie, Hek, Amarr, etc. Even the prices to accomplish are better there.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#30 - 2014-02-23 18:45:03 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:

not really, telling some one to quit the game and go elsewhere when they point out how ****** the jita gates are during peak times isn't really that constructive, it just makes you look like a bit of a **** to be honest.

the situation is ****, and it does need looking at. however i guess telling people to go **** themselves is easier for all involved instead of addressing problems properly... seems to be the new theme as of late.


That's cool. I'll look like a bit of a '****' and you can continue looking like a petulant child in the midst of a temper tantrum.

I haven't told anyone to quit playing. As an aside and to the contrary, I have now twice told OP how to play better. What I did do was suggest that his money may be better spent elsewhere if this game makes him so unhappy. The fact that he appears to be wanting to play a different game than this one leads me to the logical conclusion that he might be better served by playing that other game, whatever it happens to be.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#31 - 2014-02-23 18:47:13 UTC
Centis Adjani wrote:
I always wondered why all people want to sell their items in Jita.

The market browser shows the complete Region, so why not sell at a Station in neighbour system?

Or at one of the other Trade Hubs like Dodixie, Hek, Amarr, etc. Even the prices to accomplish are better there.


Because taking things to other trade hubs to turn a profit constitutes effort and intelligent gameplay, things that people hovering on the Jita gate are quite clearly disinterested in.
Dave stark
#32 - 2014-02-23 18:47:46 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

not really, telling some one to quit the game and go elsewhere when they point out how ****** the jita gates are during peak times isn't really that constructive, it just makes you look like a bit of a **** to be honest.

the situation is ****, and it does need looking at. however i guess telling people to go **** themselves is easier for all involved instead of addressing problems properly... seems to be the new theme as of late.


That's cool. I'll look like a bit of a '****' and you can continue looking like a petulant child in the midst of a temper tantrum.

I haven't told anyone to quit playing. As an aside and to the contrary, I have now twice told OP how to play better. What I did do was suggest that his money may be better spent elsewhere if this game makes him so unhappy. The fact that he appears to be wanting to play a different game than this one leads me to the logical conclusion that he might be better served by playing that other game, whatever it happens to be.


it's not about playing better, though. that's the entire point that you seem to be missing.

he doesn't appear to want to play a different game at all, he simply wants consistency. he wants all stargates to work rather than having one that's basically a guessing game as to whether or not you can actually use it.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#33 - 2014-02-23 18:51:17 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:

it's not about playing better, though. that's the entire point that you seem to be missing.

he doesn't appear to want to play a different game at all, he simply wants consistency. he wants all stargates to work rather than having one that's basically a guessing game as to whether or not you can actually use it.


It IS consistent. He just doesn't want to acknowledge that. They all work the same way. When they hit system cap during Battle for Caldari Prime, it did the same thing.

It works the same way across the galaxy, it's not one, it's all of them.

And that means the solution is still the same. Go elsewhere.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Dave stark
#34 - 2014-02-23 18:53:20 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

it's not about playing better, though. that's the entire point that you seem to be missing.

he doesn't appear to want to play a different game at all, he simply wants consistency. he wants all stargates to work rather than having one that's basically a guessing game as to whether or not you can actually use it.


It IS consistent. He just doesn't want to acknowledge that. They all work the same way. When they hit system cap during Battle for Caldari Prime, it did the same thing.

It works the same way across the galaxy, it's not one, it's all of them.

And that means the solution is still the same. Go elsewhere.


no, it's not consistent. you never have to gamble with any other gate. caldari prime was given plenty of notice etc, jita is just "meh, take your luck".
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#35 - 2014-02-23 19:00:36 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:


no, it's not consistent. you never have to gamble with any other gate. caldari prime was given plenty of notice etc, jita is just "meh, take your luck".


Both are the results of players making the choice to be there. Just like with Caldari Prime, you know full well when you're going there that the possibility exists. By choosing to sell or buy there instead of, you know, one of the other 4 trade hubs, you have made your choice.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Dave stark
#36 - 2014-02-23 19:02:17 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


no, it's not consistent. you never have to gamble with any other gate. caldari prime was given plenty of notice etc, jita is just "meh, take your luck".


Both are the results of players making the choice to be there. Just like with Caldari Prime, you know full well when you're going there that the possibility exists. By choosing to sell or buy there instead of, you know, one of the other 4 trade hubs, you have made your choice.



buying and selling has nothing to do with this.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#37 - 2014-02-23 19:03:59 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


no, it's not consistent. you never have to gamble with any other gate. caldari prime was given plenty of notice etc, jita is just "meh, take your luck".


Both are the results of players making the choice to be there. Just like with Caldari Prime, you know full well when you're going there that the possibility exists. By choosing to sell or buy there instead of, you know, one of the other 4 trade hubs, you have made your choice.



buying and selling has nothing to do with this.


Yeah, traders aren't a big part of Jita gate traffic at all, silly me. Roll

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Dave stark
#38 - 2014-02-23 19:06:11 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


no, it's not consistent. you never have to gamble with any other gate. caldari prime was given plenty of notice etc, jita is just "meh, take your luck".


Both are the results of players making the choice to be there. Just like with Caldari Prime, you know full well when you're going there that the possibility exists. By choosing to sell or buy there instead of, you know, one of the other 4 trade hubs, you have made your choice.



buying and selling has nothing to do with this.


Yeah, traders aren't a big part of Jita gate traffic at all, silly me. Roll


no, they aren't. did you not read the other thread with ccp navigator?

chat and market transactions are handled by another bit of hardware. it's the people jumping in and out, you know the people not trading or spamming local that cause the server load that dictates the cap.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#39 - 2014-02-23 19:07:53 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


no, it's not consistent. you never have to gamble with any other gate. caldari prime was given plenty of notice etc, jita is just "meh, take your luck".


Both are the results of players making the choice to be there. Just like with Caldari Prime, you know full well when you're going there that the possibility exists. By choosing to sell or buy there instead of, you know, one of the other 4 trade hubs, you have made your choice.



buying and selling has nothing to do with this.


Yeah, traders aren't a big part of Jita gate traffic at all, silly me. Roll


no, they aren't. did you not read the other thread with ccp navigator?

chat and market transactions are handled by another bit of hardware. it's the people jumping in and out, you know the people not trading or spamming local that cause the server load that dictates the cap.


People haul stuff to Jita... to *not* sell it? Just to sit there and look at how pretty it is in their cargo bay?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#40 - 2014-02-23 19:09:54 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
to be fair, there should be some way to know if jita is full other than having to try the gate.
no other gate is closed, let alone with no indication.


Is it Friday, Saturday, Sunday or Monday? If yes, Jita is full.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff