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Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-02-23 09:33:38 UTC
Karen Avioras wrote:
Some people have more time than money and for others it's the other way around


Ultimately this.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#22 - 2014-02-23 10:35:45 UTC
Humang wrote:
The question could be posed why would you pay real money for something you can make for free in game?


Ah. Another supporter of the failed MIMAF philosophy. 'Stuff' you make in-game is not free as it has taken time and/or resources to construct. The mindset you promote damages markets across New Eden.

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#23 - 2014-02-23 10:47:39 UTC
Chromite Amora wrote:
I'm a new player so I don't fully understand the eve universe yet, however it seems that doing missions or playing the market is a complete waste of time and energy when I can simply sell a few plexes and have several billion isk pretty much instantly. Do people play the market for fun? Do they enjoy doing completing missions? Are plexes too expensive for the average eve player? Please help me understand why more people aren't just selling plexes.


It depends how you wish to play the game and your RL financial situation. For me personally it's about eight quid or one hours RL wages from work for one months playing time. I would rather pay cash and have all the ISK I make to do whatever I wish with in-game. Other people may be unemployed or employed and not have any cash to spare so they may choose to earn ISK and buy the PLEX that others have bought with cash to sell for ISK.

Doing missions, playing the market, or whatever your you do in-game is not a complete waste of time and energy. It is playing a game, having fun, and chatting with your friends. It is life.

Are PLEX too expensive for the average player? Probably not. The price fluctuates due to various conditions and confidence in the market just like the RL stock markets.


" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#24 - 2014-02-23 10:54:22 UTC
Laura Gallardo wrote:
Chromite Amora wrote:
I'm a new player so I don't fully understand the eve universe yet, however it seems that doing missions or playing the market is a complete waste of time and energy when I can simply sell a few plexes and have several billion isk pretty much instantly. Do people play the market for fun? Do they enjoy doing completing missions? Are plexes too expensive for the average eve player? Please help me understand why more people aren't just selling plexes.

Well, if you have the RL cash and can spend it, sure. But somebody has to buy you the plex, and those are the people who either can not, or don't want to pay IRL money for ISK and subscription. I am pretty sure that the ones with the big wallets, are already set up to positions where their effort isn't that big in game time, because of their knowledge of the market.


PLEX will originally come from those people paying RL money to buy PLEX and selling those PLEX on in-game to acquire ISK. I imagine it will not be a common activity to buy PLEX with ISK and then sell the same PLEX for ISK again as the market price for PLEX is largely fairly stable.

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-02-23 16:34:28 UTC
Billy Sastard wrote:
Here is something to ponder...

If everyone bought PLEX to sell for ISK and nobody ran missions, who would make the ISK to trade for PLEX?

That ISK that one receives when they sell a PLEX does not come from nowhere, somebody had to make that ISK somehow, and right now I think there are only a couple means in game where ISK is injected (ISK faucets if you will) and I am pretty sure running missions is a major one of the faucets...


Not to mention...

If anybody in EVE would just sell PLEX....A PLEX would we worthless in just days because of supply / demand system.

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Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#26 - 2014-02-24 00:01:07 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Billy Sastard wrote:
Here is something to ponder...

If everyone bought PLEX to sell for ISK and nobody ran missions, who would make the ISK to trade for PLEX?

That ISK that one receives when they sell a PLEX does not come from nowhere, somebody had to make that ISK somehow, and right now I think there are only a couple means in game where ISK is injected (ISK faucets if you will) and I am pretty sure running missions is a major one of the faucets...


Not to mention...

If anybody in EVE would just sell PLEX....A PLEX would we worthless in just days because of supply / demand system.


Yes. This is the nice thing about people liking different things in the game. I am happy to help enable someone that wants to grind missions to play for free :)
Julius Cabeki
Huola Industrial Development
#27 - 2014-02-24 16:38:25 UTC
I have found it interesting to plan and try different isk making ventures even if most of them have failed because of some underestimated risks or been too boring to pursue.
Qalix
Long Jump.
#28 - 2014-02-24 18:08:02 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
Humang wrote:
The question could be posed why would you pay real money for something you can make for free in game?


Ah. Another supporter of the failed MIMAF philosophy. 'Stuff' you make in-game is not free as it has taken time and/or resources to construct. The mindset you promote damages markets across New Eden.

More to the point, whatever the opportunity costs are of the minerals i mine are free philosophy, the real life opportunity costs of grinding are much more relevant.

Still, for me, one of the goals is to pay for "free."
Tran Tuyen
Amadio Family Enterprises
#29 - 2014-02-24 21:22:32 UTC
I've asked this question of myself a few times, especially when I was grinding L3s in a Drake. I came up with two answers: 1) I worried that PVP would lose some of its thrill if I was paying with PLEXed ISK, and 2) while I can afford a PLEX every few months, I was not entirely convinced I had the self discipline not to drag out the credit card every time I saw a shiny I wanted but couldn't afford. I eventually learned to deal with the boredom of mission grinding by doing other activities when I wanted a change of pace. I've made comparatively little wormhole daytripping, for example, but the challenge of finding the right hole and clearing a site or two under the noses of the natives is fun in its own right.
Silver Dagger Kondur
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2014-02-24 22:28:32 UTC
Miriya Zakalwe wrote:
ISK grinding in-game is free only for people who place no value on their time :)



I disagree - One finds what one enjoys to make the ISKies and does that - it's part of the game. Yes, I've sold a PLEX to fund my ship habbit, but intend to do something to generate enough ISK to not need to sell PLEX to often.
Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#31 - 2014-02-25 00:01:07 UTC
Silver Dagger Kondur wrote:
Miriya Zakalwe wrote:
ISK grinding in-game is free only for people who place no value on their time :)



I disagree - One finds what one enjoys to make the ISKies and does that - it's part of the game. Yes, I've sold a PLEX to fund my ship habbit, but intend to do something to generate enough ISK to not need to sell PLEX to often.



No, I stand by that quote. It's never "free", grinding ISK, even if you enjoy it. It's a time commitment that you need to balance against the value of your time.

If you're enjoying yourself while making ISK, it's a good value, but it is never free.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#32 - 2014-02-25 00:27:57 UTC
Miriya Zakalwe wrote:
If you're enjoying yourself while making ISK, it's a good value, but it is never free.


Perish the thought that people would enjoy themselves while playing the game, regardless of the ISK value they generate during that gameplay. EVE Online provides a certain entertainment utility which must not be ignored. "The minerals I mine myself are fun," work a little differently to, "the minerals I mine myself are free."

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Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#33 - 2014-02-25 01:23:07 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Miriya Zakalwe wrote:
If you're enjoying yourself while making ISK, it's a good value, but it is never free.


Perish the thought that people would enjoy themselves while playing the game, regardless of the ISK value they generate during that gameplay. EVE Online provides a certain entertainment utility which must not be ignored. "The minerals I mine myself are fun," work a little differently to, "the minerals I mine myself are free."


No argument at all, just saying it's a balance, and there is a value to your time even if you are happy spending it on what you're currently doing.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-02-25 01:27:43 UTC
/me grabs the popcorn

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Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#35 - 2014-02-25 02:33:48 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
/me grabs the popcorn


Lol, will be a short show, as I agree with Mara. I am just apparently expressing myself poorly. I'll just STFU now.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-02-25 04:04:18 UTC
Miriya Zakalwe wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
/me grabs the popcorn


Lol, will be a short show, as I agree with Mara. I am just apparently expressing myself poorly. I'll just STFU now.


Luckily I've mastered the skill of speed-eating popcorn.

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embrel
BamBam Inc.
#37 - 2014-02-25 10:30:38 UTC
Chromite Amora wrote:
I'm a new player so I don't fully understand the eve universe yet, however it seems that doing missions or playing the market is a complete waste of time and energy when I can simply sell a few plexes and have several billion isk pretty much instantly. Do people play the market for fun? Do they enjoy doing completing missions? Are plexes too expensive for the average eve player? Please help me understand why more people aren't just selling plexes.


Because I want to build my in-game fortune in-game.

I bought 3 Plexes for $$ at the beginning of my comeback and plan to get them back soonTM just for the feeling that all I own in-game was "earned" in-game.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#38 - 2014-02-25 11:09:37 UTC
Chromite Amora wrote:
I'm a new player so I don't fully understand the eve universe yet, however it seems that doing missions or playing the market is a complete waste of time and energy when I can simply sell a few plexes and have several billion isk pretty much instantly. Do people play the market for fun? Do they enjoy doing completing missions? Are plexes too expensive for the average eve player? Please help me understand why more people aren't just selling plexes.


Spending money on a game you can play for free seems a complete waste of money to me.

Person 1: Time to grind -> buy PLEX
Person 2: No time to grind -> sell PLEX
Person 3: Some time to grind -> no PLEX business
Person 4: No need to grind -> ...

See where this is going?

Income (either ISK or goods) is based on time. Each person will determine how they value time and what to do with it in EVE. You can "buy" time if someone is willing to "sell" it.

I personally believe this is infinetely more desirable than microtransactions.
Bael Malefic
Doomheim
#39 - 2014-02-25 14:17:56 UTC
J'Poll wrote:


This is basically my game style to atm.

I tend to keep my ships small and affordable, which in term means I can just spent a bit of RL money now and then to keep my wallet healthy.

But if in the case RL says no, I still have my in game stuff I can fall back too for my ISK creation.

It's a fragile balance between maximizing fun and doing what needs to be done...


Amen to that.
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