Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That is a very Fair reply.

I do believe that as CCP rise states, He wishes people to aspire to it. There are important roles It can accomplish if it can warped cloaked, But yes Wormhole Space is not the only possible home for it.

I too will expand my thoughts to see If I can think of another home where It can fit in instead, as without the ability to warp cloaked, It will not find a home there.

I personally believe that the Nestor should have a limited Drone bandwidth, and not use a flight of sentries.but Instead Medium Drones with strong resists to damage signature, and the speed of small drones. 50mb bandwidth should put to rest a lot of fears. And would make the ship distinct

The lasers can then be bonused to balance damage.

This Prevents spitting out sentries as soon as you decloak.

Honestly with the delay in being able to lock, they are no more dangerous landing on a target than an uncloaked ship, If anything less so. It is the ability to travel with others who can warp cloaked T3s etc that it is missing.

The problem is that there is no excitement with this ship, yes it is white, but that is not enough to make people want to train skills, pay isk, and their time, when there is no role that leaps out at a player, yes it is a fine dominix alternative, but that is not enough reason for it to exist.

The question is where would this ship find a role? why would one want to cloak it at all? what is it good for?
The only role that this ship seems to fit that generates any excitement is Wormhole logistics and a good ship for sleeper combat sites,(not ruling out WH PvP). PvP will always find a way.

In this role it will often need to join a fleet of cloaked T3's who refit at destination.
unfortunately It really cannot join this fleet due to it's critical defect . This is not a case of liking or not liking, It is fatally flawed, It simply will not be used .

I will think if there is ANY other possibility for it, but without the ability to warp cloaked, but I fear it is simply a white elephant at the moment. I will think further,but no one seems to have found a potential use for it yet. apart from the one it currently cannot fulfil.

I suggest that CCP takes a step back and looks to see If they are happy for this ship to excel in wormholes in a balanced way.
Once they have made that decision, they should look to see if the essential requirements can be implemented in a battleship.

We have made it clear that if it cannot run with a cloaked T3 fleet, It will not achieve this end.
However, Taking a dominix painting it white and giving it a covert ops cloak, is messy and really is nothing special to get the heart pumping.

so in summation a few suggestions.

1. Be Able to travel in a t3 cloaked fleet with warping cloaked ability.
2. Reduced drone bandwidth.
3. medium drones gain a large hitpoint, reduced signature and increased speed bonus, retain the drone damage bonus as is. Do not increase it further.
4. Do not reduce time to initial lock but improve lock speed for logistics.
5. Cap, Shield, and Armor repair Bonuses. range increased to allow for mobile t3 fleet logistics.
6. Reduction in laser cap usage and rep useage.
7. Laser damage bonus improved to balance overall damage.

This would be exciting, and wanted, and rather than being overpowered, would simply be a different and new ship. With a role of it's own, replacing, nothing, but doing it's job well. And encourage people to aspire to it.

I agree totally, standing ground is EXACTLY what it needs to do,and to allow the fleet to.
It would be totally wasted as a skirmisher, The Stratios and astero fulfil this role well.

The cloak issue is purely a problem as it prevents covert travel of the fleet , Cloaked arrivals are largely irrelevant in a battleship like this.
I also agree that sentries on this ship is a poor choice, as mentioned above, Medium drones (50Mb Bandwidth same drone bay) and overall damage balanced by the lasers, is far more reasonable.
Because Dropping sentries with a drone assist, Would avoid the balancing factor of a battleships post cloak lock delay. And would not be desirable in a balanced ship with these abilities.

Sadly you are right.
This can be solved If the ship can be positioned for a clear role,I have put forward suggestions above yours by a couple at the top of the page, see What you think?

I've no issue with the ship having full drone bandwidth, its a PIRATE battleship, they are the creame de la creame.
I like the space priest idea (I'm a logi V traige T2 pilot was well) on a battleship hull.

Basically give the ship:
~A blops style speed bonus with the same cloaks....note not T2 coverts, though I would be fine with it if it did have a full covert cloak
~A jumpdrive
Toss that scanning crap, its crap, totally useless on a battleship
Throw the laser range bonus.

I want a ghetto carrier to drop with my redeemer.
I also recommended repeatedly that it should have 5 turret and 5 launcher slots a la Arageddon so that it can multi-role and acutally have a PvE use.

That's a use outside of wormholes,
I agree the bonus to virus strength is of questionable value, I would not be bothered on that either way.
lasers/drone balance? Personally I believe that Drones are not in a good place at the moment. But that'll change, just be glad to use them in a Wh without being instapopped, So I lean towards lasers on this even though my drone skills are good.
Balancing reduced bandwidth with lasers could allay some fears, but the fears are pretty misplaced,so Both can work. Rebalancing towards lasers with a reduced bandwidth may well be more acceptable to implement.
cloaked speed bonus,I can see how that can be helpful, No reason not to have a covert ops cloak, It really is misunderstood. Particuarly without a lock activation bonus, and it is Fatally flawed in a wormhole without it.

missiles and lasers? both bonused accordingly to balance damage i imagine? that can work, nice to have choices.

I really cannot comment on jump drive, not experienced in them, A covert ops cloak wouldn't affect that in any way?

Thank's for the thoughts, People might want that.

Thanks for that,
I sort of read CCP Rise's comment slightly differently,
To me it seemed more that it had not been planned for the ship, but I hope that when he looks at where the ship may well be used, he will take the time to think on it, Quite possibly he will realise that If the ship will be used with covert cloaked T3's that the ship is dead in the water without it. I don't think he wants to write off the ship yet.

as to slot reassignment, If he decides what the role is to be and where it will be used, and at the moment, there is only one home for it, Then the slot reassignment should fall into place, and the whole power/cap/cpu issues will follow.

So the first question to be answered Is where is it to find it's home?
The rest will follow.
Sure It will find extra roles and uses everywhere, But a tractor is at home in the fields, A car on the roads, A racing car on the track and a Nestor in a Wormhole.

Yeah, like 2% of the players in the game actually live in holes, not to mention that the primary concern for wormholers is bang per mass. Which T3s will remain the king of (unitl CCP fucks them up as well anyway)



With larger drones I've never had an issue....something about sleepers hating logi and EWAR more than drone.....but then its been years since I did anything more than use a whole to pass through.



The issue with lasers is going to be cap, in the fit above you need an implant to even mount mega pulses....and then after an MWD and three heatsinks you end up with 6m of cap and NO ability to mount a cap booster. So you have to either throw the plate (this ship is already at T1 tank levels) or downsize the guns.


I'd find that quite dull.

Particularly since missiles aren't in a great place and even if I wanted to beams/Tachs are completely out of the question


Not in my opinion, basically the ship needs to be able to hit a covert cyno

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The issue is that the only role, where this ship seems to have a possibility to excel, is in wormhole space.
This means that the ships it will provide logistics support to will be largely cloaky T3s
Without the ability to travel while cloaked, it cannot travel where they go.
It would be the death of them.

U boats do not travel with a big logistics boat travelling above them on the surface, it is exactly the same scenario, it defeats the whole object of the fleet. The nestor is a submarine that cannot dive!

So if we give up we lose the only feasible chance of them ever being used in wormhole space.
It is simply not viable without it.

But if you see a totally different role that would encourage people to want it, that did not require an ability to travel cloaked, please let us know, as no one yet has found an alternative that people would aspire to own it for.

Your points regarding the logistics aspects do highlight at there are issues that need to be looked at here too, that does need to be taken into account before it can be useful. But without fixing the fatal flaw, anything else is irrelevant.

Moving mid slots to lows on the stratios and astero would cause me to have to rethink their pvp applicability. The ability to dual prop a stratios or fit a cap battery is essential for its ability to survive in a brawl while dual repped.

A clone vat bay in w-space? Well, I should think the players would love it. You could charge 5bn for a Nestor and we in w-space would still buy 2 each.

I suggest you re-read through most of the comments, because numerous other suggestions have been made.


Which is why I asked, and if those two ships are arguably working as designed then that just leaves the Nestor. Maybe it just needs a clone bay then… We'd need a subcapital version though.