EVE General Discussion

My point is that it is too easy for a few players with advanced ships and modules to prey on carefully chosen small corps of players who haven't developed the skills or ships to be able to effectively defend themselves. In low and null sec, this is not the problem. You go there when you are ready. In high sec it should not be so easy for multiple war decs causing these newer players to have to spend a week or more docked up rather than playing the game. And you can throw all the "they shoulds" around that you want, but the only real option for those players is to dock up because most haven't learned enough about the game to understand or have worked towards the skills and equipment to do anything else.

But reading through these, it is obvious that so many people on here look for any justification to support their attacks on people who can't defend themselves because they can't risk going after people in their own league.

Market pvp is not a thing, you choose whether or not to engage in it. Someone gave me a bhaalgorn for chuckles the other day and no one magically removed the sale profit from my wallet.

It takes at least a month of training to t2 fit a t1 frigate, and that's assuming you don't have to worry about training career skills or other ship classes to generate ISK. Which is an unreasonable ssumption regarding someone's first character. And people don't solo pvp in t1 frigates

People solo pvp in AFs with high sp in relevant skills, and t2 drones are almost a requirement if you're flying any other t1 ship. I have probably more knowledge than you give me credit for, and logic plus observation tells me sp matters. And ability to generate income is also sp dependent.

So it looks like the elitists vs. rational people divide has erupted into open war here. What fun

First of all, saying that SP is irrelevant amounts to nothing short of inexcusable stupidity, or simple denial. When I started this game, any pvp encounter (players shooting at each other's spaceships; the idea of market pvp is utter nonsense) I engaged in was going to pit me against someone with access to better ships and better mods whose ship and often times drones performed vastly better than mine by simple virtue of the fact that their skill queue has been running far longer. In order to change this, I have to change the terms of the engagement away from a simple 1v1 which is unwinnable for me. And since part of being an elite pvp player is avoiding any fight you aren't 100% guaranteed to win, this means that my time in lowsec is spent avoiding all combat whilst hunting furiously for month old toons in npc corps. We could spend a lot of time on the details and semantics; but expecting new players to gleefully sacrifice their ship to someone whose own ship is better at everything because they've been playing longer, and then express their undying gratitude for the lesson; you're truly dense if you repeat this idiocy.

What did I learn? Don't fight people older than me flying assault frigates, also known as 90% of solo roamers.

As far as hisec wardecs are concerned, I don't quite see the point other than providing targets for spacerich merc alts supplemented by neutral combat scanners. I can't fight your t2/faction cruisers with inties in the lead and when you see faction drones on a killmail, you KNOW someone has too much money. My options are 1) hide in lowsec, which can be fun but doesn't make **** for money (exploration is tedious and unrewarding especially if you don't want to waste a month training the applicable skills.) Or 2) I can just dock whenever WT are online, which would be 24/7. Local tank isn't much good when they don't have to use a hostile toon to stalk you.

You know what? I agree that a lot of this **** makes to game interesting. I'm not necessarily in favor of removing the mechanics for hisec ganking/griefing.

What I dislike are the elitist scum who claim that we're on an equal footing when they have 100m sp and I have 2m. It's a game, don't take yourself so seriously. If your idea of fun is denying it to other people, at least don't insult their intelligence by pretending it's a fair fight. The comparisons to chess or CS are terrible, I don't start a chess match with an extra pawn instead of a queen and Counterstrike doesn't require me to spend a month dodging AWPs with a glock before I have the skills to use an mp5.

There should be a place in EVE where people can generate income while skilling up in relative safety; that place is hisec. I you can't find a good fight anywhere else and your sole joy in playing eve is trying to make people ragequit who you have a default advantage over - if this is true then I think this game has bigger problems than the increasing difficulty of picking up cheap killmails in hisec.

If you enjoy being an elitist *******, don't insult me by trying to rationalize it. Hell, you could even stop.

Not being a psychologist, I can't give more than a layman's response to this statement, which would just be - every single person in my Corp and Alliance and others that I have met in game I would be more than willing to associate with outside of game.

A number of my RL friends also play EvE and they are all really nice, highly educated people with highly responsible positions in their profession.

So I think, at least from my experience, it is quite possible in a game to disassociate from your normal persona and go have a bit of harmless fun in a game that allows and encourages a very broad range of actions, each of which has consequences, but luckily they are all fictional - both the actions and consequences - and should be seen that way.

The overriding thing is I think most people who play are able to recognise that it's a game and not reality and who they are in game doesn't reflect the choices and behaviours they show in the real World.

Your corporation appears to be one that does not engage in nefarious acts.

Your website says you do not recruit hi-sec killers and pirates.

People who engage in such activities are morally bankrupt, and more likely to be similar offline.

Make a thread commenting on removing player killing all together in hi-sec.

Make a thread suggesting to make concord response times faster, or Low-sec harder to kill defensive targets.

Watch your reponses, and tell me then more people are aligned with your mentality.

If someone chooses to represent himself as an *******, I'll take it at face value and assume it to be so.

I don't really care if it's true or not, I'll just not concern myself via wasting time to consider if he's an ******* or not. He's already proven to me that he's capable of being one, why waste time wondering if it's different when he's offline?

That individual has already demonstrated his desire to impart misery upon those he interacts with. Why risk it in person?

New players, yes.

Those with the maturity of the average 9 year old brat, no.

As the Milgram-experiment has shown, humans are mostly quite terrible creatures. One can be happy if he can claim that he doesn't give a damn about the suffering of other people, because at least he doesn't enjoy it.